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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:29 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


remember years ago when i was saying sarah champion was a clown woman with terrible opinions
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:46 pm

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That's a carefully constructed mask, to cover his ambition and lack of attention to detail.


So you're saying that behind the mask of total incompetence, there's a total incompetent.


It's total incompetence all the way down.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:55 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
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So you're saying that behind the mask of total incompetence, there's a total incompetent.


It's total incompetence all the way down.

Yes. Boris Johnson is, indeed, a Matryoshka doll of incompetence.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:27 am

Souseiseki wrote:[Tab=][/Tab]
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


remember years ago when i was saying sarah champion was a clown woman with terrible opinions


Sarah Champion is another of those feminist women MPs who turned out to have assaulted her husband, claimed she was verbally provoked and felt "vulnerable", and then basically just nothing happened. Pretty common trend tbh. Both her and the Lib Dem one, Layla Moran, were eventually appointed as the parties equality spokespeople. (These aren't the only two.).

Note that she didn't admit it until the police records were dug up, same as Moran, but felt okay in the meantime wailing about violence against women and demanding the government do something about it, calling opponents misogynists, and so on.
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Postby Duhon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:13 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


Excellent. How many will they kill to get what they want?

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Postby Duhon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:34 am

I don't usually go click conspiracy bait (plus it's the Times so paywall) but in this case --

Johnson might use Queen's speech to prevent Brexit vote

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:29 am

Duhon wrote:I don't usually go click conspiracy bait (plus it's the Times so paywall) but in this case --

Johnson might use Queen's speech to prevent Brexit vote


Remember, nothing says "restoring parliamentary sovereignty" like actively blocking parliamentary oversight.
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Postby Duhon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
Duhon wrote:I don't usually go click conspiracy bait (plus it's the Times so paywall) but in this case --

Johnson might use Queen's speech to prevent Brexit vote


Remember, nothing says "restoring parliamentary sovereignty" like actively blocking parliamentary oversight.


Well, technically, oversight can stop people from being free to do whatever they want
So yeah, parliamentary sovereignty alright

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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:59 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


Shamefully, one of those 10 is Dennis Skinner, who I actually used to like.

Well, apart from that; there are about 20 Tories who would block Brexit so that's a moot point, and also just because someone has the labour badge doesn't mean they are right about something.

And the fact that the woman in the article seriously thinks Farage getting into number 10 is in any way a serious possibility is laughable.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:45 am

Chan Island wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


Shamefully, one of those 10 is Dennis Skinner, who I actually used to like.

Well, apart from that; there are about 20 Tories who would block Brexit so that's a moot point, and also just because someone has the labour badge doesn't mean they are right about something.

And the fact that the woman in the article seriously thinks Farage getting into number 10 is in any way a serious possibility is laughable.

It's not entirely moot, since cancelling brexit would require legislative action, while a no deal brexit requires nothing but inaction.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:47 am

Chan Island wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


Shamefully, one of those 10 is Dennis Skinner, who I actually used to like.

Well, apart from that; there are about 20 Tories who would block Brexit so that's a moot point, and also just because someone has the labour badge doesn't mean they are right about something.

And the fact that the woman in the article seriously thinks Farage getting into number 10 is in any way a serious possibility is laughable.

I think Dennis Skinner recognises that the working class people, which is his constituency pretty much, largely voted for Brexit.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:10 am

Chan Island wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:As many as 10 labour mps would back a no deal over no Brexit:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... d71ddb072f


Shamefully, one of those 10 is Dennis Skinner, who I actually used to like.

Well, apart from that; there are about 20 Tories who would block Brexit so that's a moot point, and also just because someone has the labour badge doesn't mean they are right about something.

And the fact that the woman in the article seriously thinks Farage getting into number 10 is in any way a serious possibility is laughable.


Nigel Farage would come second even in a Nigel Farage lookalike contest if it were held in Westminster.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:19 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Shamefully, one of those 10 is Dennis Skinner, who I actually used to like.

Well, apart from that; there are about 20 Tories who would block Brexit so that's a moot point, and also just because someone has the labour badge doesn't mean they are right about something.

And the fact that the woman in the article seriously thinks Farage getting into number 10 is in any way a serious possibility is laughable.

I think Dennis Skinner recognises that the working class people, which is his constituency pretty much, largely voted for Brexit.


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:34 am

Apparently Boris Johnson has broken the record for the most money raised by a British politician.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1UC1U7
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:52 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Apparently Boris Johnson has broken the record for the most money raised by a British politician.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1UC1U7

There's only 166,000 Tory party members, what does he need with £702,000? Is he going to buy them all a pint?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Apparently Boris Johnson has broken the record for the most money raised by a British politician.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1UC1U7

There's only 166,000 Tory party members, what does he need with £702,000? Is he going to buy them all a pint?


Maybe a bottle of water and some Mars bars.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:11 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:There's only 166,000 Tory party members, what does he need with £702,000? Is he going to buy them all a pint?


Maybe a bottle of water and some Mars bars.

I suppose this is after Brexit drives up the price of everything.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:49 am

So what is the record for being Prime Minister for the shortest amount of time?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:52 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So what is the record for being Prime Minister for the shortest amount of time?


George Canning, five months. In the 1800s.

*edit* four months, and it was short because he died.
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Dooom35796821595 wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So what is the record for being Prime Minister for the shortest amount of time?


George Canning, five months. In the 1800s.

*edit* four months, and it was short because he died.

You guys can’t even fail worse than the Americans.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:59 am

Kowani wrote:
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George Canning, five months. In the 1800s.

*edit* four months, and it was short because he died.

You guys can’t even fail worse than the Americans.


Isn’t that a good thing?

Besides, longest serving PM was nearly 21 years, all in a single tenure.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:03 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So what is the record for being Prime Minister for the shortest amount of time?


George Canning, five months. In the 1800s.

*edit* four months, and it was short because he died.


That will be a difficult record to break, but Boris probably is the man for the job.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:40 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Shamefully, one of those 10 is Dennis Skinner, who I actually used to like.

Well, apart from that; there are about 20 Tories who would block Brexit so that's a moot point, and also just because someone has the labour badge doesn't mean they are right about something.

And the fact that the woman in the article seriously thinks Farage getting into number 10 is in any way a serious possibility is laughable.

I think Dennis Skinner recognises that the working class people, which is his constituency pretty much, largely voted for Brexit.


What was that? Sorry, I could not hear you over the majority of the UK now backing remain:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tory-party

A vote then and the consequences now are 2 different things, especially with the problems the UK face with leaving the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... EEiufg1noQ
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:45 pm

Boris Johnson claimed to be a feminist and also ruled out a deal with the Brexit Party. Obviously both should be taken with a large pinch of salt.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:55 pm

May's used her last major speech to warn of the dangers of hyper-partisanship and inflammatory language. Agree with the message but this is like receiving a hectoring lecture from the former Chernobyl premises manager on how none of us better ever cut corners on health and safety.
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