UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Fartsniffage]

We check every £50 note we get at my work cuz they are soo rare to see, have not found a fake one yet though.

Doesn't surprise me. The counterfeiters moved on when everyone stopped taking them.

[The Emerald Legion]

What kind of shop can't break a fifty?

Back in the day there were pretty much more fake £50 notes floating around than real ones. Shops stopped taking them because they kept losing money. Things have changed in terms of detecting fakes but the attitude remains. Fifties are viewed with distrust and mostly seen as only being used by criminals and drug dealers so shops still don't like taking them.

A friend of mine visited from the US a couple of years back and changed her money in the US. They gave her 4 £50 notes and she had a heck of a time actually spending them. We finally found a bar in the Village that would take them because the manager was a bit old school and knew the orange square trick for checking that they were real.

Ah. That makes more sense. I was confused because they aren't that much more than a dollar. If it's more an issue of counterfeits than that being a large sum of money it makes more sense.

[The Huskar Social Union]

We check every £50 note we get at my work cuz they are soo rare to see, have not found a fake one yet though.

Doesn't surprise me. The counterfeiters moved on when everyone stopped taking them.

Yeah we dont give em out either as part of payments, they get banged into the safe immediately.

[Ifreann]

We check every £50 note we get at my work cuz they are soo rare to see, have not found a fake one yet though.

Aren't there loads of fake £1 coins or something?

[The Huskar Social Union]

We check every £50 note we get at my work cuz they are soo rare to see, have not found a fake one yet though.

Aren't there loads of fake £1 coins or something?

No just some people try and give you the old ones which are no longer legal tender.

Had a few last few months at work.

the new £1 coins look like a 1 euro coin but with flatter segments, not completely round

[The Blaatschapen]

Aren't there loads of fake £1 coins or something?

No just some people try and give you the old ones which are no longer legal tender.

Had a few last few months at work.

Yeah, I had that last year when visiting London. I had some old 1 pound coins from my trip to Manchester in 2016, and I tried to use them last year. The shopkeeper told me that they are not in use anymore.

Turns out that there is a condom machine at the airport that still accepted them.

Also, donation boxes at the museums. Let them figure it out

[Fartsniffage]

We check every £50 note we get at my work cuz they are soo rare to see, have not found a fake one yet though.

Aren't there loads of fake £1 coins or something?

There were loads before they changed the design.

[Ifreann]

Aren't there loads of fake £1 coins or something?

No just some people try and give you the old ones which are no longer legal tender.

Had a few last few months at work.

the new £1 coins look like a 1 euro coin but with flatter segments, not completely round

Yeah, I've found one in the till before. Bloody foreign infiltrator money.

[Fartsniffage]

No just some people try and give you the old ones which are no longer legal tender.

Had a few last few months at work.

Yeah, I had that last year when visiting London. I had some old 1 pound coins from my trip to Manchester in 2016, and I tried to use them last year. The shopkeeper told me that they are not in use anymore.

Turns out that there is a condom machine at the airport that still accepted them.

Also, donation boxes at the museums. Let them figure it out

You can just walk into a bank and they'll change them for you.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah, I had that last year when visiting London. I had some old 1 pound coins from my trip to Manchester in 2016, and I tried to use them last year. The shopkeeper told me that they are not in use anymore.

Turns out that there is a condom machine at the airport that still accepted them.

Also, donation boxes at the museums. Let them figure it out

You can just walk into a bank and they'll change them for you.

Yeah i did that just as the roll out began, brought down like 300 quid worth of change of old coins and dumped them into the bank.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yeah, I had that last year when visiting London. I had some old 1 pound coins from my trip to Manchester in 2016, and I tried to use them last year. The shopkeeper told me that they are not in use anymore.

Turns out that there is a condom machine at the airport that still accepted them.

Also, donation boxes at the museums. Let them figure it out

You can just walk into a bank and they'll change them for you.

But then I'd have no condoms.

[Fartsniffage]

You can just walk into a bank and they'll change them for you.

But then I'd have no condoms.

Did you know that early Chinese condoms were made from lamb intestine?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

it's almost like boris jonhson is some kind of bufoon

That's a carefully constructed mask, to cover his ambition and lack of attention to detail.

[Ifreann]

it's almost like boris jonhson is some kind of bufoon

That's a carefully constructed mask, to cover his ambition and lack of attention to detail.

He's a clown. He puts on a wig and acts the fool.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

That's a carefully constructed mask, to cover his ambition and lack of attention to detail.

He's a clown. He puts on a wig and acts the fool.

I need to see his tears.

[Dogmeat]

But then I'd have no condoms.

Did you know that early Chinese condoms were made from lamb intestine?

I hear they do something similar in Wales.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48938509

Oh look, the SNP are doing so well with their NHS...

And their solution to their incompetence? Find a questionable solution they can’t pass without Westminster, and prepare to blame anyone but themselves.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48938509

Oh look, the SNP are doing so well with their NHS...

And their solution to their incompetence? Find a questionable solution they can’t pass without Westminster, and prepare to blame anyone but themselves.

That's kinda harsh. If I had to live in Scotland I'd be taking drugs too.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48938509

Oh look, the SNP are doing so well with their NHS...

And their solution to their incompetence? Find a questionable solution they can’t pass without Westminster, and prepare to blame anyone but themselves.

That's kinda harsh. If I had to live in Scotland I'd be taking drugs too.

I’m not blaming the users, just the SNP.

[Souseiseki]

Oh look, the SNP are doing so well with their NHS...

deeper social problem, your criticism of their management of the NHS is not really relevant

And their solution to their incompetence? Find a questionable solution

it's not questionable. it has been tested elsewhere and works quite well.

they can’t pass without Westminster

then maybe westminster should pull its head out of its arse or devolve the powers? when people constantly ask stuff like "what's the point of leaving the UK only to rejoin the EU???" the answer is "because we will have magnitudes more power over own affairs outside of the UK and inside the EU".

The woman leading the taskforce, Prof Catriona Matheson, told BBC Scotland the evidence for decriminalisation was strong.

quoting in relation to your earlier statement

Glasgow City Council's plan for users to be able to take their own drugs under the supervision of medical staff at a special facility in the city would also need a change in UK law.

The Home Office has refused permission for Glasgow to set up the so-called "fix rooms", where users could inject heroin or cocaine in a safe and clean environment.

again, sad. we already know that these policies are effective in reducing infectious diseases and deaths from unsafe practices in drug users.

Tory MSP Annie Wells claimed the Scottish government was "pinning their hopes on consumption rooms, because they know it's something the UK government does not agree with".

i suppose it's possible that they are deliberately playing up drugs because they know it plays well to their "we'd love to do cool thing but we can't because we're in the UK hmm if only there was some solution to that" angle but that does not change the fact that is a logical, effective and moral policy

She added: "They should be focusing their efforts on rehabilitation and abstinence-based recovery, the very services they have cut to the bone.

fair, but "abstinence-based" recovery sounds like a red flag and it's hard to rehabilitate people if they won't come forward for fear of being locked up. thus decriminalization and a harm reduction approach. at least she's not a total "hurf durf lock them up???" like i would have expected from a tory MSP.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Found a study saying the optimal tax rate for the UK is a 74% marginal tax rate. The laffer curve has been determined to be pretty much where it was before Conservatives got all excited about the prospect of a Laffer curve.

http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/711.pdf

Also, the international average for studies on the laffer curve indicate it is around 70%.

So you don't need to give Tory economics any credence unless our marginal taxes are 70+%.

We aren’t as far from laffer diminished returns as it first appears because he didn’t include council tax, which is the equivalent of local tax for the other countries.

Also obviously its a very well put together paper with useful applications butttt: he didn’t include dividend tax or capital gains tax, which doesn’t (or hardly) affect the people who aren’t in the top tax bracket, but strongly affects people who are. It’s probably harder to calculate but receipts from those taxes would (theoretically) decline and or people would consider these taxes as being part of the marginal tax take.

But sure we can increase marginal tax rate. That’s not an argument that we should, or that doing so would have no negative effects on the economy.

[Souseiseki]

the laffer curve is a napkin theory that is meaningless in practice because no one can figure out how to actually plot it or whether it even exists outside cartoonish extremes because of economists consistent struggles with empiricism

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Found a study saying the optimal tax rate for the UK is a 74% marginal tax rate. The laffer curve has been determined to be pretty much where it was before Conservatives got all excited about the prospect of a Laffer curve.

http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/711.pdf

Also, the international average for studies on the laffer curve indicate it is around 70%.

So you don't need to give Tory economics any credence unless our marginal taxes are 70+%.

We aren’t as far from laffer diminished returns as it first appears because he didn’t include council tax, which is the equivalent of local tax for the other countries.

Also obviously its a very well put together paper with useful applications butttt: he didn’t include dividend tax or capital gains tax, which doesn’t (or hardly) affect the people who aren’t in the top tax bracket, but strongly affects people who are. It’s probably harder to calculate but receipts from those taxes would (theoretically) decline and or people would consider these taxes as being part of the marginal tax take.

But sure we can increase marginal tax rate. That’s not an argument that we should, or that doing so would have no negative effects on the economy.

Dividend tax doesn't just affect the 'super-rich' though. It also affects people who operate through their own small limited companies, often because employers force them to in order for them not to have to pay employers national insureance.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Sure but I don't think that's a huge amount of people.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

the laffer curve is a napkin theory that is meaningless in practice because no one can figure out how to actually plot it or whether it even exists outside cartoonish extremes because of economists consistent struggles with empiricism

That's nearly all of economics - which doesn't mean its useless.

One of the best British quotes: the main reason to study economics is to prevent economists from lying to you.