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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:28 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What kind of ridiculous country are you people running where your own money isn't legal tender?

Northern Irish Notes are not legal tender in England, but English notes are legal tender in Northern Ireland.


Some people will still accept them but most wont from what i know

Look, just adopt the Euro.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Lots of places don't accept the 50 pounds note.

What kind of ridiculous country are you people running where your own money isn't legal tender?


That's not how legal tender works.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What kind of ridiculous country are you people running where your own money isn't legal tender?


That's not how legal tender works.

Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:49 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Even withdrawing hundreds from the cash point they never give fifties. Do you have to ask for them at the bank or something?


Yes. Cash machines are generally only loaded with 20s and sometimes 10s.


There are a few that have 5s in, too.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Lots of places don't accept the 50 pounds note.

What kind of ridiculous country are you people running where your own money isn't legal tender?


It is legal tender, it's just that "legal tender" doesn't mean "shops have to accept it".
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:49 am

Ifreann wrote:

Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?


They can, they just don't want to.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:53 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?


They can, they just don't want to.

On a good day I have to take €50s out of the till to limit our losses if we're robbed.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
They can, they just don't want to.

On a good day I have to take €50s out of the till to limit our losses if we're robbed.


Amateurs, that steal the money rather than the whiskey.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:02 am

Ifreann wrote:

Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?


the kind of country where the main argument for forcing people to accept £50 notes is so that you can pay the DUP and friends exclusively in £50s and laugh as you as off as you give them a bag full of the gay money
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:04 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?


the kind of country where the main argument for forcing people to accept £50 notes is so that you can pay the DUP and friends exclusively in £50s and laugh as you as off as you give them a bag full of the gay money


Why do you want to give the DUP money in the first place? :blink:
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Northern Irish Notes are not legal tender in England, but English notes are legal tender in Northern Ireland.


Some people will still accept them but most wont from what i know

Look, just adopt the Euro.

Gimme some of them mexican yo yo's
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:11 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
the kind of country where the main argument for forcing people to accept £50 notes is so that you can pay the DUP and friends exclusively in £50s and laugh as you as off as you give them a bag full of the gay money


Why do you want to give the DUP money in the first place? :blink:


i don't but if i have to i want to be gay money
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:13 am

Souseiseki wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Why do you want to give the DUP money in the first place? :blink:


i don't but if i have to i want to be gay money


Well, that's a career path I have not considered.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:26 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
i don't but if i have to i want to be gay money


Well, that's a career path I have not considered.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:27 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
the kind of country where the main argument for forcing people to accept £50 notes is so that you can pay the DUP and friends exclusively in £50s and laugh as you as off as you give them a bag full of the gay money


Why do you want to give the DUP money in the first place? :blink:

Bribes.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:31 am

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-mini ... al-brexit/

Yet the document, detailing advisory work on “successful mitigation of risks of EU Exit,” was not properly redacted by officials, meaning that sections intended to be cut from the text released publicly could still be read.

In the event of no deal, [the improperly redacted sections] said: “Not progressing these actions plans could have severe consequences for MoJ Operations, e.g. unrest in prison because of undersupply of foods or medicines.”

The redaction error also revealed the names of civil service personnel working on the contract, including the commercial director who signed it off.


oof that's a bad mistake.

not sure why they're talking about potential shortages of food and medicines though. extremely unpatriotic of them imo.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:32 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-ministers-fear-prison-riots-after-no-deal-brexit/

Yet the document, detailing advisory work on “successful mitigation of risks of EU Exit,” was not properly redacted by officials, meaning that sections intended to be cut from the text released publicly could still be read.

In the event of no deal, [the improperly redacted sections] said: “Not progressing these actions plans could have severe consequences for MoJ Operations, e.g. unrest in prison because of undersupply of foods or medicines.”

The redaction error also revealed the names of civil service personnel working on the contract, including the commercial director who signed it off.


oof that's a bad mistake.

not sure why they're talking about potential shortages of food and medicines though. extremely unpatriotic of them imo.

shortage of food and medicines is anti british smh shake my head
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:33 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-ministers-fear-prison-riots-after-no-deal-brexit/

Yet the document, detailing advisory work on “successful mitigation of risks of EU Exit,” was not properly redacted by officials, meaning that sections intended to be cut from the text released publicly could still be read.

In the event of no deal, [the improperly redacted sections] said: “Not progressing these actions plans could have severe consequences for MoJ Operations, e.g. unrest in prison because of undersupply of foods or medicines.”

The redaction error also revealed the names of civil service personnel working on the contract, including the commercial director who signed it off.


oof that's a bad mistake.

not sure why they're talking about potential shortages of food and medicines though. extremely unpatriotic of them imo.

Seems like Project Fear has infiltrated deep into the British bureaucracy, that or people are realising that there's a gaping abyss of shit that is staring back at them. *thonk*
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:39 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-ministers-fear-prison-riots-after-no-deal-brexit/

Yet the document, detailing advisory work on “successful mitigation of risks of EU Exit,” was not properly redacted by officials, meaning that sections intended to be cut from the text released publicly could still be read.

In the event of no deal, [the improperly redacted sections] said: “Not progressing these actions plans could have severe consequences for MoJ Operations, e.g. unrest in prison because of undersupply of foods or medicines.”

The redaction error also revealed the names of civil service personnel working on the contract, including the commercial director who signed it off.


oof that's a bad mistake.

not sure why they're talking about potential shortages of food and medicines though. extremely unpatriotic of them imo.

Time to hire G4S to provide additional security.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:42 am

Ifreann wrote:

Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?


What kind of shop can't break a fifty?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:56 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Alright, what kind of ridiculous country are you people running where lots of places can't break a fifty?


What kind of shop can't break a fifty?


Back in the day there were pretty much more fake £50 notes floating around than real ones. Shops stopped taking them because they kept losing money. Things have changed in terms of detecting fakes but the attitude remains. Fifties are viewed with distrust and mostly seen as only being used by criminals and drug dealers so shops still don't like taking them.

A friend of mine visited from the US a couple of years back and changed her money in the US. They gave her 4 £50 notes and she had a heck of a time actually spending them. We finally found a bar in the Village that would take them because the manager was a bit old school and knew the orange square trick for checking that they were real.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:56 am

Tourists and new immigrants often have a bunch of 50s from exchanging their money and not knowing its not used all that much.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:01 am

Found a study saying the optimal tax rate for the UK is a 74% marginal tax rate. The laffer curve has been determined to be pretty much where it was before Conservatives got all excited about the prospect of a Laffer curve.

http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/711.pdf

Also, the international average for studies on the laffer curve indicate it is around 70%.

So you don't need to give Tory economics any credence unless our marginal taxes are 70+%.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:02 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
What kind of shop can't break a fifty?


Back in the day there were pretty much more fake £50 notes floating around than real ones. Shops stopped taking them because they kept losing money. Things have changed in terms of detecting fakes but the attitude remains. Fifties are viewed with distrust and mostly seen as only being used by criminals and drug dealers so shops still don't like taking them.

A friend of mine visited from the US a couple of years back and changed her money in the US. They gave her 4 £50 notes and she had a heck of a time actually spending them. We finally found a bar in the Village that would take them because the manager was a bit old school and knew the orange square trick for checking that they were real.

That makes sense.

UV lights are the way to go. You can check money and tonic water.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:23 am

We check every £50 note we get at my work cuz they are soo rare to see, have not found a fake one yet though.
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