UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

When feminists seize control over the definition of a word [rape] while still maintaining the connotations of that word [terrible heinousity], they are more or less able to use it as a very blunt weapon to strike any person they don't like and they're able to blur the lines of what are basically not that heinous crimes and use this power to demolish men in the public image. Kevin Spacey for instance.

Kevin Spacey has never been found guilty of a crime in a court of law and that means for us, if we want to pretend to live in civilisation, he isn't guilty. He didn't do anything wrong. Except his career and life has been ruined by allegations that he tried to grab someone's balls a few times or whatever. Quickly he suffers from the Weinstein effect and becomes a victim of the 'MeToo' movement without ever having committed a crime. He is now, in the public eye, a rapist, ie he is the same thing as a Bosnian Serb war criminal.

Is this just? Is this a good idea?

Feminists pose their power to re-interpret rape laws as being something for justice for victims when in reality it's a weapon used to intimidate men. Their cultural opponents have nothing to say about this except 'women can rape men too', a logically flawed and completely ludicrous concept that nobody can take seriously - except that we have now completely redefined the meaning of the word rape, so that this idiocy becomes accepted.

This is why seditious and dishonest politicians, and worse, journalists, should keep their hands off the criminal law and the job of interpreting what is a crime and what isn't should be left to professionals - judges - as it was for fifty generations. Every time the law is weaponised, a little piece of our liberty dies, permanently and irreversibly, to our detriment and the detriment of our posterity.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

In fact the total weaponisation, ie politicisation, ie amateurisation of criminal law has more or less eliminated any kind of justice in this country. It's more or less impossible to get anything approaching justice.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

God, can't you lot just sod off and make a"Manospheric Bitching Thread"?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Does Florida, where Prince Andrew was originally charged, use the term 'rape'?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

God, can't you lot just sod off and make a"Manospheric Bitching Thread"?

Implying I am part of the 'manosphere' or a 'meninist' LOL

Anyway what I said pertains directly to our country because it is what has happened to our courts and politics, and the topic was begun because of accusations against Prince Andrew, so it doesn't need to go in another thread.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, Actually having a solidified stance on Brexit has put Labour four points ahead of the Conservatives in recent polling.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Interesting, maybe they will recover it

[Celritannia]

When feminists seize control over the definition of a word [rape] while still maintaining the connotations of that word [terrible heinousity], they are more or less able to use it as a very blunt weapon to strike any person they don't like and they're able to blur the lines of what are basically not that heinous crimes and use this power to demolish men in the public image. Kevin Spacey for instance.

Kevin Spacey has never been found guilty of a crime in a court of law and that means for us, if we want to pretend to live in civilisation, he isn't guilty. He didn't do anything wrong. Except his career and life has been ruined by allegations that he tried to grab someone's balls a few times or whatever. Quickly he suffers from the Weinstein effect and becomes a victim of the 'MeToo' movement without ever having committed a crime. He is now, in the public eye, a rapist, ie he is the same thing as a Bosnian Serb war criminal.

Is this just? Is this a good idea?

Feminists pose their power to re-interpret rape laws as being something for justice for victims when in reality it's a weapon used to intimidate men. Their cultural opponents have nothing to say about this except 'women can rape men too', a logically flawed and completely ludicrous concept that nobody can take seriously - except that we have now completely redefined the meaning of the word rape, so that this idiocy becomes accepted.

This is why seditious and dishonest politicians, and worse, journalists, should keep their hands off the criminal law and the job of interpreting what is a crime and what isn't should be left to professionals - judges - as it was for fifty generations. Every time the law is weaponised, a little piece of our liberty dies, permanently and irreversibly, to our detriment and the detriment of our posterity.

That is what happens when you are in the public eye. It will have lasting effects. Especially since the accusations were against males.

What you are asking for, which I agree with, is a meritocracy. Sadly, not many people wish to see this happen.

[Celritannia]

Meanwhile, Actually having a solidified stance on Brexit has put Labour four points ahead of the Conservatives in recent polling.

HUZZAH!

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

I don't see how you can say I was asking for 'meritocracy' based on that.

Yes of course if you are in the public eye, your fall from grace will be harder than you or I. But ultimately both you and I are at equal risk [as famous people.]

[Celritannia]

I don't see how you can say I was asking for 'meritocracy' based on that.

Yes of course if you are in the public eye, your fall from grace will be harder than you or I. But ultimately both you and I are at equal risk [as famous people.]

Might have just seemed like it to me. Especially since evidence and knowledge is key in a meritocracy, but I digress.

Well, perhaps, we will never know.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

I don't see how you can say I was asking for 'meritocracy' based on that.

Yes of course if you are in the public eye, your fall from grace will be harder than you or I. But ultimately both you and I are at equal risk [as famous people.]

Might have just seemed like it to me. Especially since evidence and knowledge is key in a meritocracy, but I digress.

Well, perhaps, we will never know.

Youre kind of right. A self selecting judiciary is basically meritocratic. Parliament making laws is weaponisation.

[Ostroeuropa]

God, can't you lot just sod off and make a"Manospheric Bitching Thread"?

…

So around 45% of young men in the UK have concluded feminism is a hate movement, as well as 25% of young women, according to a recent poll commissioned by "Hope not hate".

This is 40% more than call themselves feminists on the male side, and 5% more than call themselves feminist on the female side.

Anti-feminists comprise about 33% of the population, up significantly from a few years ago where it was 7%.
Feminists comprise around 20% of the population.

This should also be viewed in conjunction with the polls showing 66% of British people think feminism needs to stop. (Suggesting a "Peak feminism" support of around 34% theoretically.).

Naturally the people who commissioned the poll have gone batshit, claiming it is evidence of a far-right surge, rather than evidence the MRM and others are gaining ground in its arguments against feminism.

47% of the population apparently don't care enough to commit either way on whether feminism is a hate movement, but that in itself is good news for anti-feminists given that implies a total lack of mandate for feminist attempts to monopolize the cultural discourse on equality. Especially when, again, considered in conjunction with the two-thirds of British society who think feminism needs to end. A significantly more popular proposal than Brexit. We're getting rid of the wrong administrators and politicians. We should stay in Europe, and sack all the feminists, it's a more agreeable proposal.

The reason it doesn't happen is the aforementioned group of feminists?

Overwhelmingly white, upper-middle class women. In a society like ours, that affords them extremely disproportionate influence. Despite the media portrayal of it as a young, revolutionary or grassroots movement, it is extremely institutionalized and old. (Indeed, middle aged women are more likely to call themselves feminists than women under 30.).

The polling over the last decade or so also suggests that feminism has peaked out in terms of support despite the institutional push to get it mainstreamed, it remains static in terms of support with occasional collapses. Anti-feminism meanwhile has ticked steadily upwards.

Once Brexit is dealt with, the next big social issue could well be anti-feminism. There's two ways that goes down:

1. Pro-MRM
2. Pure Anti-Feminism.

The former would involve either increased government spending or redirecting money going into womens groups partially to mens groups. The latter would just mean cutting funding to womens groups, which can then probably be laundered off to the ultra-rich.

Given the trajectory of the country, I expect the latter will take hold unless the MRM becomes mainstreamed. Moreover, assuming Brexit actually happens (big if), feminism will suffer a major blow due to EU funding for feminist projects, propaganda and so on, as well as laws and court rulings (if we also leave the European court) obliging the UK toward upholding a feminist agenda on several issues.

Feminism seems reliant on a monopoly of legitimized discourse, and cannot/will not survive in a space where debate and alternative viewpoints are also aired. Less funds from the EU might well be the breaking point.

[Vassenor]

Brexit party MEP called for EU fishing vessels to be 'sunk like Belgrano'

Did no one tell them that's literally an act of war?

[Celritannia]

Brexit party MEP called for EU fishing vessels to be 'sunk like Belgrano'

Did no one tell them that's literally an act of war?

They do not care, their true colours have been extremely vibrant since the beginning. Their supporters will not care either as they are complete sycophants.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

God, can't you lot just sod off and make a"Manospheric Bitching Thread"?

…

So around 45% of young men in the UK have concluded feminism is a hate movement, as well as 25% of young women, according to a recent poll commissioned by "Hope not hate".

This is 40% more than call themselves feminists on the male side, and 5% more than call themselves feminist on the female side.

Anti-feminists comprise about 33% of the population, up significantly from a few years ago where it was 7%.
Feminists comprise around 20% of the population.

This should also be viewed in conjunction with the polls showing 66% of British people think feminism needs to stop. (Suggesting a "Peak feminism" support of around 34% theoretically.).

Naturally the people who commissioned the poll have gone batshit, claiming it is evidence of a far-right surge, rather than evidence the MRM and others are gaining ground in its arguments against feminism.

47% of the population apparently don't care enough to commit either way on whether feminism is a hate movement, but that in itself is good news for anti-feminists given that implies a total lack of mandate for feminist attempts to monopolize the cultural discourse on equality. Especially when, again, considered in conjunction with the two-thirds of British society who think feminism needs to end. A significantly more popular proposal than Brexit. We're getting rid of the wrong administrators and politicians. We should stay in Europe, and sack all the feminists, it's a more agreeable proposal.

The reason it doesn't happen is the aforementioned group of feminists?

Overwhelmingly white, upper-middle class women. In a society like ours, that affords them extremely disproportionate influence. Despite the media portrayal of it as a young, revolutionary or grassroots movement, it is extremely institutionalized and old. (Indeed, middle aged women are more likely to call themselves feminists than women under 30.).

The polling over the last decade or so also suggests that feminism has peaked out in terms of support despite the institutional push to get it mainstreamed, it remains static in terms of support with occasional collapses. Anti-feminism meanwhile has ticked steadily upwards.

Once Brexit is dealt with, the next big social issue could well be anti-feminism. There's two ways that goes down:

1. Pro-MRM
2. Pure Anti-Feminism.

The former would involve either increased government spending or redirecting money going into womens groups partially to mens groups. The latter would just mean cutting funding to womens groups, which can then probably be laundered off to the ultra-rich.

Given the trajectory of the country, I expect the latter will take hold unless the MRM becomes mainstreamed. Moreover, assuming Brexit actually happens (big if), feminism will suffer a major blow due to EU funding for feminist projects, propaganda and so on, as well as laws and court rulings (if we also leave the European court) obliging the UK toward upholding a feminist agenda on several issues.

Feminism seems reliant on a monopoly of legitimized discourse, and cannot/will not survive in a space where debate and alternative viewpoints are also aired. Less funds from the EU might well be the breaking point.

I love your posts because they're 80% right for 80% the wrong reasons.

Feminism (and meninism, feminisms little brother) are death sentences for a civilisation. It will be, and has been, and is, a big issue, but it is not recognised as such.

[Celritannia]

…

So around 45% of young men in the UK have concluded feminism is a hate movement, as well as 25% of young women, according to a recent poll commissioned by "Hope not hate".

This is 40% more than call themselves feminists on the male side, and 5% more than call themselves feminist on the female side.

Anti-feminists comprise about 33% of the population, up significantly from a few years ago where it was 7%.
Feminists comprise around 20% of the population.

This should also be viewed in conjunction with the polls showing 66% of British people think feminism needs to stop. (Suggesting a "Peak feminism" support of around 34% theoretically.).

Naturally the people who commissioned the poll have gone batshit, claiming it is evidence of a far-right surge, rather than evidence the MRM and others are gaining ground in its arguments against feminism.

47% of the population apparently don't care enough to commit either way on whether feminism is a hate movement, but that in itself is good news for anti-feminists given that implies a total lack of mandate for feminist attempts to monopolize the cultural discourse on equality. Especially when, again, considered in conjunction with the two-thirds of British society who think feminism needs to end. A significantly more popular proposal than Brexit. We're getting rid of the wrong administrators and politicians. We should stay in Europe, and sack all the feminists, it's a more agreeable proposal.

The reason it doesn't happen is the aforementioned group of feminists?

Overwhelmingly white, upper-middle class women. In a society like ours, that affords them extremely disproportionate influence. Despite the media portrayal of it as a young, revolutionary or grassroots movement, it is extremely institutionalized and old. (Indeed, middle aged women are more likely to call themselves feminists than women under 30.).

The polling over the last decade or so also suggests that feminism has peaked out in terms of support despite the institutional push to get it mainstreamed, it remains static in terms of support with occasional collapses. Anti-feminism meanwhile has ticked steadily upwards.

Once Brexit is dealt with, the next big social issue could well be anti-feminism. There's two ways that goes down:

1. Pro-MRM
2. Pure Anti-Feminism.

The former would involve either increased government spending or redirecting money going into womens groups partially to mens groups. The latter would just mean cutting funding to womens groups, which can then probably be laundered off to the ultra-rich.

Given the trajectory of the country, I expect the latter will take hold unless the MRM becomes mainstreamed. Moreover, assuming Brexit actually happens (big if), feminism will suffer a major blow due to EU funding for feminist projects, propaganda and so on, as well as laws and court rulings (if we also leave the European court) obliging the UK toward upholding a feminist agenda on several issues.

Feminism seems reliant on a monopoly of legitimized discourse, and cannot/will not survive in a space where debate and alternative viewpoints are also aired. Less funds from the EU might well be the breaking point.

I love your posts because they're 80% right for 80% the wrong reasons.

Feminism (and meninism, feminisms little brother) are death sentences for a civilisation. It will be, and has been, and is, a big issue, but it is not recognised as such.

Feminism isn't bad.
Like any group, there are many different types of people.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

I love your posts because they're 80% right for 80% the wrong reasons.

Feminism (and meninism, feminisms little brother) are death sentences for a civilisation. It will be, and has been, and is, a big issue, but it is not recognised as such.

Feminism isn't bad.
Like any group, there are many different types of people.

Feminism is like prosecco. Disgusting, but everyone drinks it anyway.

[Celritannia]

Feminism isn't bad.
Like any group, there are many different types of people.

Feminism is like prosecco. Disgusting, but everyone drinks it anyway.

Then you don't understand feminism if you only see the bad of it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Boris Johnson did not have a good time in that sun/talkradio debate today.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Boris Johnson did not have a good time in that sun/talkradio debate today.

Is that the one where he miserably failed on GATT 1994 knowledge?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Boris Johnson did not have a good time in that sun/talkradio debate today.

Is that the one where he miserably failed on GATT 1994 knowledge?

I mustn't have got that far, gave up about halfway through. It was the one today.

[Souseiseki]

it's almost like boris jonhson is some kind of bufoon

[Celritannia]

it's almost like boris jonhson is some kind of bufoon

Who'd have thunk it?

[Ostroeuropa]

it's almost like boris jonhson is some kind of bufoon

HES A LAUGH THOUGH MATE ISNT HE HAHAHAHAH.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.


You've heard the laugh.
That laugh.
The one those types do.

2024
When you imagine the future Sous, imagine that pint-holding gentleman laughing that exact laugh in our countries face, forever until even worse shenanigans occur that makes us wish we were back here.