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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:49 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Men and women being granted more or less equal rights can be a real thing. In most areas, it already is a real thing.
Yes. It is a contest. Feminists are winning it. But this is not 'equality'. This is winning a contest.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:51 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Men and women being granted more or less equal rights can be a real thing. In most areas, it already is a real thing.
Yes. It is a contest. Feminists are winning it. But this is not 'equality'. This is winning a contest.

In most areas, men and women have equal rights. They can both vote, they both have freedom of religion, they can both move where they want, say what they want. At least in the first world, anyway. That's not just a contest that feminists are winning at.
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:57 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not just a contest that feminists are winning at.
Yes it is. They have been tremendously successful.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:07 am

Johnson says Mars bars will still be available after a no deal Brexit. I wonder if the name will be changed to Milky Way though, to align with the US.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:09 am

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In what sense are they better? In what capacity?



A major component of which is lower pay for men on paternity leave being perfectly legal because of female privilege being explicitly protected under law. That means less assistance, and less cash.

You will be able to tell which pundits and politicians and publications whining over the wage gap are sincere and which are just female supremacists from their behavior over this. I'm actually comfortable using it as a litmus test. If they don't comment on and oppose this court ruling but continue to complain about the wage gap, then any of their pretensions that feminism cares about mens issues too and so on should be rejected for what it is, gaslighting in order to distract from blatant sexism.


Well not really, no. I do agree that paternity leave is far shitter than it should be and yeah, it felt like a kick in the teeth.

However, that's a fraction, a drop in the ocean compared to all the other financial reasons why having kids is far too expensive these days mate.

Top of the list would be the insecurity and expense of renting from the private sector, followed by low pay, closely followed by concerns over job security, then probably distance from own parents and lack of the vital social network you need to have to raise kids and massive cuts to state support for child raising.

It's not feminism that's fucked us on this one, it's our current itineration of neoliberal capitalism.


It's both. Both contribute to difficult parenting situations and dynamics, and result in lower birth rates and so on. But changing one law is an easier step than overhauling an entire economic system.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:10 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Johnson says Mars bars will still be available after a no deal Brexit. I wonder if the name will be changed to Milky Way though, to align with the US.

Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:11 am

Didn't the mods say to stop derailing the UK Politics thread to be about how evil feminism is?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:13 am

Vassenor wrote:Didn't the mods say to stop derailing the UK Politics thread to be about how evil feminism is?


Commentary on a UK appeals court ruling is derailing the UK politics thread?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:15 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Johnson says Mars bars will still be available after a no deal Brexit. I wonder if the name will be changed to Milky Way though, to align with the US.

Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


Makes me think he is lying. Watching him being questioned by Andrew Neil lying just seems to be a reflex action with him, I don't think he even knows when he is doing it anymore.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Johnson says Mars bars will still be available after a no deal Brexit. I wonder if the name will be changed to Milky Way though, to align with the US.

Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


Because if he doesn't people might get it into their heads that Brexit might end badly.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Johnson says Mars bars will still be available after a no deal Brexit. I wonder if the name will be changed to Milky Way though, to align with the US.

Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


Almost suspicious.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:39 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not just a contest that feminists are winning at.
Yes it is. They have been tremendously successful.

So is women having the right to vote, just feminists winning at a contest? If so, is men having the right to vote, just MRAs winning at a contest?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:44 am

Did the feminism thread get locked again?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:48 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Did the feminism thread get locked again?


There's a left wing politics thread too, guess we can't discuss left wing ideas as regards the UK either.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:50 am

In actually relevant-to-the-thread news:

Greg Clark: no-deal Brexit would destroy 'thousands' of jobs


Well that's spicy.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


Because if he doesn't people might get it into their heads that Brexit might end badly.

Which it won't, so that's nice isn't it!
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:10 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because if he doesn't people might get it into their heads that Brexit might end badly.

Which it won't, so that's nice isn't it!


You might believe that, but you have some pretty out there opinions.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:11 am

Vassenor wrote:In actually relevant-to-the-thread news:

Greg Clark: no-deal Brexit would destroy 'thousands' of jobs


Well that's spicy.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:12 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Which it won't, so that's nice isn't it!


You might believe that, but you have some pretty out there opinions.

Like?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:16 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
You might believe that, but you have some pretty out there opinions.

Like?


Wanting the world to burn. Guns on planes. Most opinions you express strike me as fringe viewpoints.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Johnson says Mars bars will still be available after a no deal Brexit. I wonder if the name will be changed to Milky Way though, to align with the US.

Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:23 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


2016: easier deal ever, will be great guys don't worry
2019: it won't be the end of the world, there will be adequate food, police numbers will be satisfactory

A change in tone so subtle one could easily miss it.
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Postby Caracasus » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:27 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Really weird how Boris keeps having to reassure people that the basic staples of life(water, sweeties) will be available post-Brexit.


2016: easier deal ever, will be great guys don't worry
2019: it won't be the end of the world, there will be adequate food, police numbers will be satisfactory


2022: Sex slavery and medical testing in service to the water barons finally secures clean drinking water for all!
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chan Island wrote:... and that is not a good thing considering how often America drags us into various wars that don't really serve our interests yet get Europe inundated with refugees fleeing the bombs. If anything, we should make moves to distance them.



The situation isn't analogous, we don't border an enemy state with massed artillery trained at the capital.


Problem is that the only way we can make Brexit work now is by being Trump's bitch, so apparently we're not allowed to criticise how the US forces us to do things.


This is why I suggest that Brexit supporters should give up on free trade agreements and support isolationist autarky instead.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:28 am

Caracasus wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
2016: easier deal ever, will be great guys don't worry
2019: it won't be the end of the world, there will be adequate food, police numbers will be satisfactory


2022: Sex slavery and medical testing in service to the water barons finally secures clean drinking water for all!

2025: Okay, so there's a chance things didn't go quite as planned. But look on the bright side, there's still electricity between the hours of six and eight in the evening.
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