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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
131
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
207
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 560

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:27 pm

I don't even know what health insurance is. Seems like a "Capitalist Oppressor Extortionist" plot to me. /jk
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Postby Duhon » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:29 pm

hey guys
why ain't boris out yet?
will the tide not roll back?

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:20 pm

Duhon wrote:hey guys
why ain't boris out yet?
will the tide not roll back?

If they try to kick him now it wouldn't be complete until after October 31st.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:38 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Well it does cost you your apparently very expensive health insurance...

Costs my Employer I am sure this is the typical American experience.


Until you get cancer and they think fuck that sack him.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:09 am

Philjia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yeah, no. That's just not how basic physics works.

More efficient furnaces and turbines can allow for the same electricity generation from less coal and with fewer particulate emissions due to more complete combustion, although increased demand tends to mitigate any benefits this brings about. (This is Jevon's paradox)


That doesn't mean that shifting in the future somehow magically balances out emissions today.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:11 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Wasatch wrote:Quite true. We need law and regulation to ensure that the freedom you enjoy and the life you are entitled to does not impede others.

There's no obligation on me to give a flying fuck about your life and good health. Don't try to protect mine, I won't try to protect yours.


We're not. We're trying to protect our own. It's the same reason that GBH is illegal.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:58 am

Greed and Death wrote:
The Wasatch wrote:I can attest to this as a U.S. citizen. Some argue that our (American) healthcare is worth costing more because it is more efficient and effective, but it will often take two months for even a simple check up. Private healthcare has few positives.


You must have terrible insurance. I can get an appointment and the doctor will be buy to check up on me within 45 minutes and it doesn't cost me a dime. And if I need antibiotics and pain pills that will be delivered to me.

It's a choice issue for me again. I shouldn't be forced to pay for health coverage which I don't want, or to contribute to the health of people I have no responsibility for.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:18 am

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:58 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
You must have terrible insurance. I can get an appointment and the doctor will be buy to check up on me within 45 minutes and it doesn't cost me a dime. And if I need antibiotics and pain pills that will be delivered to me.

It's a choice issue for me again. I shouldn't be forced to pay for health coverage which I don't want, or to contribute to the health of people I have no responsibility for.

Yes you should.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:15 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It's a choice issue for me again. I shouldn't be forced to pay for health coverage which I don't want, or to contribute to the health of people I have no responsibility for.

Yes you should.

Why is that?

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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:19 am

be gay do crime


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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:22 am

Look, I'm not saying that the NHS should be privatized. I'm just saying I can't, in good conscience, kink shame the people who enjoy public health catastrophes.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:38 am


Given you can override it, the checker seems like it's more of a gimmick than an essential service. It's common to release partially incomplete products while you still make improvements to them. Annoying for sure, but it doesn't sound like racism to me.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:40 am


Also doesnt work with really light skin either.

What a fuck up.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:47 am

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:51 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

And this is relevant, why?

UK Politics Thread.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Also doesnt work with really light skin either.

What a fuck up.

I was thinking maybe it was data input bias, but that sounds like an issue with the tech itself.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:And this is relevant, why?

UK Politics Thread.

Must be a slow news day
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:02 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:UK Politics Thread.

Must be a slow news day

I guess.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:05 am

Celritannia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I think we should do that honestly, just one more part of the state we can be rid of.


Oh for fuck sake.

NHS is cheaper and heavily reliable. Every country in the world bar the US, some African, and some South East Asian countries has a universal healthcare system.
It is more affordable per person and more reliable.

Not everyone is rich, or has an offshore bank account to evade taxes.
Do you even live in the real world?

Universal healthcare doesn’t mean government run ala NHS. Germany, Switzerland, and France all have systems which are mixed system. In the German system the government pays a base amount of 60% to 70% of the bill while private health insurance picks up the rest, in Switzerland it’s basically the ACA that actually works, and in France your healthcare is tied to your job with those who are unemployed being eligible for a Medicare type system.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:08 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

And this is relevant, why?


And why can't we talk about a fuckup involving a department of the UK Government in a thread about UK politics?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:And this is relevant, why?


And why can't we talk about a fuckup involving a department of the UK Government in a thread about UK politics?

Really don't think it's a fuckup honestly, it's just not fully developed. Systems like this rely on large quantities of input, so skin tones sufficiently different from the majority in a given society are always going to cause issues. If you have a massive birthmark, or a lot of scarring on your face, it will probably do the same thing. The same goes for people with plastic surgery. Until the system receives a large amount of input, it won't be totally effective. It's not racism.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:40 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And why can't we talk about a fuckup involving a department of the UK Government in a thread about UK politics?

Really don't think it's a fuckup honestly, it's just not fully developed. Systems like this rely on large quantities of input, so skin tones sufficiently different from the majority in a given society are always going to cause issues. If you have a massive birthmark, or a lot of scarring on your face, it will probably do the same thing. The same goes for people with plastic surgery. Until the system receives a large amount of input, it won't be totally effective. It's not racism.


Where did I say that racism was the fuckup in question?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:43 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And why can't we talk about a fuckup involving a department of the UK Government in a thread about UK politics?

Really don't think it's a fuckup honestly, it's just not fully developed. Systems like this rely on large quantities of input, so skin tones sufficiently different from the majority in a given society are always going to cause issues. If you have a massive birthmark, or a lot of scarring on your face, it will probably do the same thing. The same goes for people with plastic surgery. Until the system receives a large amount of input, it won't be totally effective. It's not racism.

It's not racism that software developers didn't think to find dark skinned people to test their facial recognition software with? It's not racism that they didn't even have a black colleague try it out? I dunno, man.
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Postby Massacrey » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:45 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It's a choice issue for me again. I shouldn't be forced to pay for health coverage which I don't want, or to contribute to the health of people I have no responsibility for.


You resent that you are required to part with a meagre ~4% of your income to not only pay for your own treatment, but also to help the most disadvantaged and vulnerable people in society? Perhaps you would find the situation in the USA to be far more preferable: none of your hard-earned money would go towards those lazy do-nothings such as pregnant women or disabled folk, instead you simply pay an admittedly larger 10% of your income on insurance, and that provides cover for your entire household. Sure, it costs more and it's horribly inefficient, but at least the undesirable members of society won't be benefiting from the sweat of your own brow! After all, it's all about looking after your own. And fuck everybody else.

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