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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:08 am

So we've got an emergency sitting of parliament on the 19th where Boris intends to lay out his plans to break the law.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:00 am

Vassenor wrote:So we've got an emergency sitting of parliament on the 19th where Boris intends to lay out his plans to break the law.


My contact in 10 Downing says Johnson intends to offer Gibraltar back to Spain for vetoing extension.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:27 am

^hungary, poland, stand eu accusation in matter of justice (fidelty of judiciary).
not tasty to say, yet we have to stress eu doesn t get into immigration policies.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:20 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So we've got an emergency sitting of parliament on the 19th where Boris intends to lay out his plans to break the law.


My contact in 10 Downing says Johnson intends to offer Gibraltar back to Spain for vetoing extension.

Another option would be giving Akrotiri to Cyprus and the Channel Islands to France.
Or Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland. That would solve the backstop, wouldn't it?
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:02 am

Not content with wanting to be above the law, Boris Johnson is now about to put himself above Parliament and the Sovereign herself: https://www.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-planning-to-tell-queen-she-cant-sack-him-if-he-loses-no-confidence-vote-094513741.html

He wants to invoke the Lascelles Principles and advise the Queen that he shouldn't resign even after he loses a no-confidence vote, as he is likely to do.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:05 am

Shrillland wrote:Not content with wanting to be above the law, Boris Johnson is now about to put himself above Parliament and the Sovereign herself: https://www.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-planning-to-tell-queen-she-cant-sack-him-if-he-loses-no-confidence-vote-094513741.html

He wants to invoke the Lascelles Principles and advise the Queen that he shouldn't resign even after he loses a no-confidence vote, as he is likely to do.


Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the queen legally just tell him to fuck off and that's that?
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:17 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Not content with wanting to be above the law, Boris Johnson is now about to put himself above Parliament and the Sovereign herself: https://www.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-planning-to-tell-queen-she-cant-sack-him-if-he-loses-no-confidence-vote-094513741.html

He wants to invoke the Lascelles Principles and advise the Queen that he shouldn't resign even after he loses a no-confidence vote, as he is likely to do.


Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the queen legally just tell him to fuck off and that's that?


Oh, probably. For all his boasting, I'm not sure he really wants a showdown with the Queen. No one's ever won one of those.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:25 am

Shrillland wrote:Not content with wanting to be above the law, Boris Johnson is now about to put himself above Parliament and the Sovereign herself: https://www.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-planning-to-tell-queen-she-cant-sack-him-if-he-loses-no-confidence-vote-094513741.html

He wants to invoke the Lascelles Principles and advise the Queen that he shouldn't resign even after he loses a no-confidence vote, as he is likely to do.

Think BoJo might have gotten a god complex after Donny bit him.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:27 am

Shrillland wrote:Not content with wanting to be above the law, Boris Johnson is now about to put himself above Parliament and the Sovereign herself: https://www.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-planning-to-tell-queen-she-cant-sack-him-if-he-loses-no-confidence-vote-094513741.html

He wants to invoke the Lascelles Principles and advise the Queen that he shouldn't resign even after he loses a no-confidence vote, as he is likely to do.

In a sane world this would be the point where the monarch tells the Prime Minister that he can jam a jaunty little bonnet on his advice and ram it up his arse with an unlubricated bollard, but Elizabeth has always been rather... passive.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:37 am

Risottia wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
My contact in 10 Downing says Johnson intends to offer Gibraltar back to Spain for vetoing extension.

Another option would be giving Akrotiri to Cyprus and the Channel Islands to France.
Or Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland. That would solve the backstop, wouldn't it?

That would also be breaking the law, as IIRC that has to be done via referendum.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:38 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Not content with wanting to be above the law, Boris Johnson is now about to put himself above Parliament and the Sovereign herself: https://www.yahoo.com/news/boris-johnson-planning-to-tell-queen-she-cant-sack-him-if-he-loses-no-confidence-vote-094513741.html

He wants to invoke the Lascelles Principles and advise the Queen that he shouldn't resign even after he loses a no-confidence vote, as he is likely to do.


Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the queen legally just tell him to fuck off and that's that?



Sort of, but it's complicated, and drags the Queen directly into making political decisions, regardless of what she does. If nothing else, she's gonna be pissed.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:44 am

Salandriagado wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but can't the queen legally just tell him to fuck off and that's that?



Sort of, but it's complicated, and drags the Queen directly into making political decisions, regardless of what she does. If nothing else, she's gonna be pissed.

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Postby Philjia » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:49 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?

B&Q
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:08 am

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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?

B&Q

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:08 am

Leo Varadkar and Boris Johnson will apparently be meeting at an undisclosed location in north-western England to discuss Brexit, no media invited.


An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?

Overthrowing the government? You can do it when you B&Q it.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:09 am

This is now a B&Q stan thread, apparently.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:18 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?


Does Britain make its own pitchforks? Or are they imported from the EU?

This is gonna be tricky :unsure:
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:22 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?

Does Britain make its own pitchforks? Or are they imported from the EU?

This is gonna be tricky :unsure:

Just order them directly from the People's Republic of China.


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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:25 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?


Does Britain make its own pitchforks? Or are they imported from the EU?

This is gonna be tricky :unsure:

Maybe let's not do Brexit, we need EU pitchforks, domestic pitchforks are in short supply!
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:30 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We're going to need pitchforks. Where the hell do you buy a pitchfork nowadays?


Does Britain make its own pitchforks? Or are they imported from the EU?

This is gonna be tricky :unsure:


I'm more concerned about Extinction Rebellions reaction to the burning torches in an urban environment...

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:33 am

Extinction Rebellion would get a fuckload more done if they escalated tbh. They've got a lot of public support, disseminating an instruction that; "No Juror should convict any person of any crime committed against a business owner of the following businesses, the following politicians, or journalists of the following papers and programmes" and that'd pretty immediately provoke hysteria from the elites as well as actual rebellion which they would not be able to handle without abolishing jury duty and cracking down.

If even 10% of the country is on board with that action, that's it. The targetted individuals are effectively outlaws and persona non grata and no jury will find a guilty verdict against people who commit crimes against them.

The people who have destroyed our planet have names.
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We should act like it.

250,000 deaths per year, as of this moment, are their responsibility.

Most people are not going to be on board with going out to smashy smashy personally, but "I didn't see nuthin, that evidence could have been planted, you can't prove otherwise" is in line with peoples "I'm willing to do that" a lot more.

Currently they're going around shutting down roads and so on through non compliance and protest. Fuck that. Shut down the judiciary through non compliance and protest. Destroy their ability to protect their lives and property and place them into a climate of fear. The judiciary is the one place the majority has power over this jumped up minority of oligarchs if we decide to exercise it.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:56 am

Risottia wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
My contact in 10 Downing says Johnson intends to offer Gibraltar back to Spain for vetoing extension.

Another option would be giving Akrotiri to Cyprus and the Channel Islands to France.
Or Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland. That would solve the backstop, wouldn't it?


Let the Irish deal with the revolting Oranges.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:58 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Risottia wrote:Another option would be giving Akrotiri to Cyprus and the Channel Islands to France.
Or Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland. That would solve the backstop, wouldn't it?

That would also be breaking the law, as IIRC that has to be done via referendum.


Boris could just withdraw all police and military from the rock and let the Spanish move in. Would the UK go to war against Spain and the EU just to preserve the rule of law ? Because once the Spanish occupy it they wont withdraw without a fight.
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