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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:30 am

So we've gone from advocating mass arrests of peaceful protesters to advocating mass murder of peaceful protesters.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:36 am

Vassenor wrote:So we've gone from advocating mass arrests of peaceful protesters to advocating mass murder of peaceful protesters.

It worked for China!
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:44 am

Vassenor wrote:So we've gone from advocating mass arrests of peaceful protesters to advocating mass murder of peaceful protesters.

When you make that face, it's a joke.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:53 am

Vassenor wrote:So we've gone from advocating mass arrests of peaceful protesters to advocating mass murder of peaceful protesters.

Yes thats exactly it.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:53 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Oh noes, not the roads.

Thus making people late for work.


it is extremely funny that political activism in the UK is so neutered that blocking the roads and ohhhhh making people late for work is considered bold and unacceptable
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:02 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Thus making people late for work.


it is extremely funny that political activism in the UK is so neutered that blocking the roads and ohhhhh making people late for work is considered bold and unacceptable


I'm just glad no one has nailed their bollocks to the road yet.

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Postby Nimzonia » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:02 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Thus making people late for work.


it is extremely funny that political activism in the UK is so neutered that blocking the roads and ohhhhh making people late for work is considered bold and unacceptable


This sort of disruption is hardly worth it as a protest strategy in the UK at the moment, you can barely tell it from the general background noise of self-inflicted economic decline.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:03 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
it is extremely funny that political activism in the UK is so neutered that blocking the roads and ohhhhh making people late for work is considered bold and unacceptable


I'm just glad no one has nailed their bollocks to the road yet.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:55 am

Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.

Constantly ranting and raving about the evil of feminism is not good for your blood pressure. Try something relaxing, like reading books. Maybe some Gor novels by John Norman.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:10 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.

Constantly ranting and raving about the evil of feminism is not good for your blood pressure. Try something relaxing, like reading books. Maybe some Gor novels by John Norman.

Alleging sexist fantasies because someone opposes sexism? You really never change, do you?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:12 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Constantly ranting and raving about the evil of feminism is not good for your blood pressure. Try something relaxing, like reading books. Maybe some Gor novels by John Norman.

Alleging sexist fantasies because someone opposes sexism? You really never change, do you?

When someone keeps rantings like gender rights is a zero sum game, can't help but suspect a conclusion.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:13 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Alleging sexist fantasies because someone opposes sexism? You really never change, do you?

When someone keeps rantings like gender rights is a zero sum game, can't help but suspect a conclusion.

Tell me when you return to reality instead of whatever weird fantasy zone you currently have settled in.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.


So does your source actually mention feminism at all or are you just looking for excuses to rant about them being responsible for all the evils in the world?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:18 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Alleging sexist fantasies because someone opposes sexism? You really never change, do you?

When someone keeps rantings like gender rights is a zero sum game, can't help but suspect a conclusion.


Coming from someone who lashes out when mens issues are noted and sarcastically mocks the notion that men are the "real" victims, this whole "Zero sum game" thing is just DARVO and you projecting your characteristics onto others. And as usual you attack the character of the person criticizing feminism and allege they have some nefarious personality traits rather than just deal with the argument.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.


So does your source actually mention feminism at all or are you just looking for excuses to rant about them being responsible for all the evils in the world?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Wistrich

Wistrich is co-founder of Justice for Women, the feminist law-reform group.

The reform that the co-founder of a feminist law reform group is suggesting is, abolish juries and put feminists in charge of deciding if men are guilty.

Also lol what a shock.

Her lesbian partner is Julie Bindel. Says everything you need really.

Feminist who is dating "Maybe put men into camps?" author suggests legal reforms in the UK and runs a law reform group. Not a hate movement tho.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.


So does your source actually mention feminism at all or are you just looking for excuses to rant about them being responsible for all the evils in the world?

No, but the "ur not subscribed pleb" preview does give a name: Harriet Wistrich. A feminist.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:20 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Feminist lawyer suggests removal to trial by jury for people accused of rape because they can't get enough convictions;

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/axe- ... -wfmwk2t93

The alternative?

A "Discrimination" panel formed of;

The Judge, and two "Specialists" in the subject.
(So basically the campus rape trial tribunal set up, hiring two ideological misandrists who can convict by agreeing that the man is bad.).

Hiring Feminists;
Not even once.

Note her delusional reasoning too and how gynocentrist and anti-male it is because of how divorced it is from reality and revealing of her fixation on harming men.

She claims Juries refuse to convict men of this crime because of their prejudices.

Um.

Women get convicted of it even less?

But she doesn't bring that up, obviously.

Reminder that the legal reforms these people have advocated previously have eventually been forced through (Such as forcing an official guideline to give women less prison time than men, and even trial running no prison time for women) and they have already tried, and succeeded until it collapsed, to fuck with rape trials and violate due process. Unless we stand up to them, these tribunals will come to pass.

It's a hate movement that is hostile to men and their rights, plain and simple.


i must admit it is getting very silly

>scottish standards of evidence make it hard to prosecute rape
>we must weaken the standards!
>rape victims don't like not proven verdict
>we must abolish it!
>police/prosecutors are dropping rape cases that they cannot win
>we must bring forward weak cases!
>juries are not convicting enough
>we must replace the juries!

though admittedly jury bais is 100% an actual problem, which is why certain countries don't like them. would be funny if feminism is what brings bench trials into fashion in the UK.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:20 pm

Find your own feminism complaints thread please.
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Postby Stiltball » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:26 pm

a petition for mps who change party to face a byelection.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269912/signatures/new

also


Give British Citizenship to all EU citizens currently living in UK if no deal

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/270100
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:28 pm

Stiltball wrote:a petition for mps who change party to face a byelection.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269912/signatures/new

Is this to punish the MPs BoJo managed to drive out of the Tories?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:36 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Stiltball wrote:a petition for mps who change party to face a byelection.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269912/signatures/new

Is this to punish the MPs BoJo managed to drive out of the Tories?

Think its more of a general thing.
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Postby Stiltball » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:43 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Stiltball wrote:a petition for mps who change party to face a byelection.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269912/signatures/new



Is this to punish the MPs BoJo managed to drive out of the Tories?


not the likes of ken clark or rory stewart who haven't changed party.

there's also that chuka umana bloke etc who quit labour to set up chuk

- remember the calls that these two 'must face a byelection'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Carswell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Reckless

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:30 pm

Num Vent wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Hungary goes against some Council decisions with Visegrad. However, they have not done that for the past extensions. They well could have, because any EU member can veto an extension, but there simply is not enough incentive for Hungary to do anything about it.

Its seems more the EU itself is inactive because they know very well they cant do anything.

Notice that juncker was complaining how Poland and Hungary use EU funds as much as they wished but they didnt wish to do anything in return (like accept migrants)

Poland and Hungary are still complying with EU law in the vast majority of cases. The exception get media attention. Still, Poland bent to the ECJ verdicts condeming their supreme court reforms.

Migrant and refugee policy fall outside EU law, which makes them problematic because they require unanimous approval and cooperation. But you must really see the difference between EU law, which is enforced, and extra-treaty cooperation, which cannot be.
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