UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Fartsniffage]

i support the sikh guy but come on, facts and the way they are presented can definitely be offensive and deliberately so. don't act like something being true means it's immune.

So wait, point out that Muslims literally had a Sikh executed for not converting at swordpoint is offensive... to the Muslims? In what world does that make sense?

The Koran states that no one should be forcibly converted and that they must come to the true faith in their own time. It paints the Muslim who does such an act as a bad Muslim.

[Gravlen]

Seems like the US recalled her after the UK police started talking about arresting her, and if that's the case her immunity will surely never be waived. (So it might be that she didn't lie about her plans either, if that's actually what happened.)

Supposedly she was on the wrong side of the road when she hit the guy on the motorcycle. Even if she never has her immunity waived she'll still have to somehow live with that shit for the rest of her life.

That is true.

[Gormwood]

i support the sikh guy but come on, facts and the way they are presented can definitely be offensive and deliberately so. don't act like something being true means it's immune.

So wait, point out that Muslims literally had a Sikh executed for not converting at swordpoint is offensive... to the Muslims? In what world does that make sense?

In a world where one hopes to bait one or more Muslims into lashing out so one can point at them as "proof" Islam is incompatible with the West and therefore all Muslims need to be rounded up and deported.

[North German Realm]

So wait, point out that Muslims literally had a Sikh executed for not converting at swordpoint is offensive... to the Muslims? In what world does that make sense?

The Koran states that no one should be forcibly converted and that they must come to the true faith in their own time. It paints the Muslim who does such an act as a bad Muslim.

That statement is actually a bold-faced lie, as the verse you speak of is almost never interpreted that way. It paints the Muslim in question as one who follows Muhammad's own tradition, actually.

So wait, point out that Muslims literally had a Sikh executed for not converting at swordpoint is offensive... to the Muslims? In what world does that make sense?

In a world where one hopes to bait one or more Muslims into lashing out so one can point at them as "proof" Islam is incompatible with the West and therefore all Muslims need to be rounded up and deported.

Well then I suppose they should learn that lashing out violently isn't the "go-to" response when someone criticizes their religion's historical record.

[Vassenor]

The Koran states that no one should be forcibly converted and that they must come to the true faith in their own time. It paints the Muslim who does such an act as a bad Muslim.

That statement is actually a bold-faced lie, as the verse you speak of is almost never interpreted that way. It paints the Muslim in question as one who follows Muhammad's own tradition, actually.

Show us the text.

[North German Realm]

That statement is actually a bold-faced lie, as the verse you speak of is almost never interpreted that way. It paints the Muslim in question as one who follows Muhammad's own tradition, actually.

Show us the text.

Do you actually want me to give you the "Reason of revelation" and the major interpretations of Baqara 256???

[Vassenor]

Show us the text.

Do you actually want me to give you the "Reason of revelation" and the major interpretations of Baqara 256???

Do you prefer Ibn Kathir's interpretation, or Sayyid Qutb's? Or the interpretation of Caliph Umar ibn Al-Khattab?

[Fartsniffage]

https://imgur.com/gallery/5JXM7dJ

Sound on.

[Gormwood]

https://imgur.com/gallery/5JXM7dJ

Sound on.

That old woman's gone too far.

Unlike BoJo, a toerag has a useful function.

[Betoni]

Do you actually want me to give you the "Reason of revelation" and the major interpretations of Baqara 256???

Do you prefer Ibn Kathir's interpretation, or Sayyid Qutb's? Or the interpretation of Caliph Umar ibn Al-Khattab?

This discussion is a perfect example of what is wrong with western politics, you end up arguing about something that is so far removed from reality, or anyone's lived experience, and get so bent out of shape about idpol that you manage to convince yourself that everyone with a differing opinion is an abomination. No one was censored over anything that was deemed to offend anyone, yet the discussion rambles on from inter-sectional feminism to interpretations of Koran.

[Vassenor]

Do you prefer Ibn Kathir's interpretation, or Sayyid Qutb's? Or the interpretation of Caliph Umar ibn Al-Khattab?

This discussion is a perfect example of what is wrong with western politics, you end up arguing about something that is so far removed from reality, or anyone's lived experience, and get so bent out of shape about idpol that you manage to convince yourself that everyone with a differing opinion is an abomination. No one was censored over anything that was deemed to offend anyone, yet the discussion rambles on from inter-sectional feminism to interpretations of Koran.

That's what happens when people need to blame feminists and minorities for everything that happens.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

This discussion is a perfect example of what is wrong with western politics, you end up arguing about something that is so far removed from reality, or anyone's lived experience, and get so bent out of shape about idpol that you manage to convince yourself that everyone with a differing opinion is an abomination. No one was censored over anything that was deemed to offend anyone, yet the discussion rambles on from inter-sectional feminism to interpretations of Koran.

That's what happens when people need to blame feminists and minorities for everything that happens.

The issue isn't about feminism or minorities, it's about the human mind, more generally the weakness of it. If you allow yourself to be offended, you are opening yourself up to it, and so it will happen to you. The best way of making sure you're not offended isn't to silence the opposition, it's to make sure that whatever anybody says to you it won't offend you. It takes a bit of mental training to make yourself very difficult to offend, but I assure you it's very useful.

[Militant Costco]

That's what happens when people need to blame feminists and minorities for everything that happens.

The issue isn't about feminism or minorities, it's about the human mind, more generally the weakness of it. If you allow yourself to be offended, you are opening yourself up to it, and so it will happen to you. The best way of making sure you're not offended isn't to silence the opposition, it's to make sure that whatever anybody says to you it won't offend you. It takes a bit of mental training to make yourself very difficult to offend, but I assure you it's very useful.

I don't think "ignoring the opposition until they go away or stop" has ever worked. Usually it just allows them to fester until they have the power to do more than just offend.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The issue isn't about feminism or minorities, it's about the human mind, more generally the weakness of it. If you allow yourself to be offended, you are opening yourself up to it, and so it will happen to you. The best way of making sure you're not offended isn't to silence the opposition, it's to make sure that whatever anybody says to you it won't offend you. It takes a bit of mental training to make yourself very difficult to offend, but I assure you it's very useful.

I don't think "ignoring the opposition until they go away or stop" has ever worked. Usually it just allows them to fester until they have the power to do more than just offend.

But then we get into the realms of dictating who is right or wrong.

[Militant Costco]

I don't think "ignoring the opposition until they go away or stop" has ever worked. Usually it just allows them to fester until they have the power to do more than just offend.

But then we get into the realms of dictating who is right or wrong.

I agree that not everything in the world is right or wrong, and there are many shades of gray. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't call out bullshit/wrongs when we see it. That just legitimizes it.

If I started posting on every post that NS was actually ran by George Soros and Ronald McDonald's, and I posted some BS facts and evidence, eventually I would get some followers and start a snowball effect.

[Celritannia]

I don't think "ignoring the opposition until they go away or stop" has ever worked. Usually it just allows them to fester until they have the power to do more than just offend.

But then we get into the realms of dictating who is right or wrong.

Yet the Leave campaign, and especially those that want Brexit, are dictating the negotiations without considering the evidence.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But then we get into the realms of dictating who is right or wrong.

Yet the Leave campaign, and especially those that want Brexit, are dictating the negotiations without considering the evidence.

I'm not sure that has anything to do with what I was talking about.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But then we get into the realms of dictating who is right or wrong.

I agree that not everything in the world is right or wrong, and there are many shades of gray. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't call out bullshit/wrongs when we see it. That just legitimizes it.

If I started posting on every post that NS was actually ran by George Soros and Ronald McDonald's, and I posted some BS facts and evidence, eventually I would get some followers and start a snowball effect.

No, I think people would roundly take the piss out of you.

[Militant Costco]

I agree that not everything in the world is right or wrong, and there are many shades of gray. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't call out bullshit/wrongs when we see it. That just legitimizes it.

If I started posting on every post that NS was actually ran by George Soros and Ronald McDonald's, and I posted some BS facts and evidence, eventually I would get some followers and start a snowball effect.

No, I think people would roundly take the piss out of you.

Which is taking action, and not just ignoring and pretending it will go away.

[Celritannia]

Yet the Leave campaign, and especially those that want Brexit, are dictating the negotiations without considering the evidence.

I'm not sure that has anything to do with what I was talking about.

No, but I am trying to keep it on topic of the thread though.

[Alvecia]

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson calls upon Extinction Rebellion protestors to stop blocking the streets of London

Well if there was ever a way to make sure they don't stop....

[Vassenor]

No-deal Brexit would push UK debt to 50-year high

Welp, we're buggered.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Brexit deal 'essentially impossible' after Johnson and Merkel talk on the phone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

So possibly we get an extension, Johnson resigns, we have a general election and the saga continues; or we get chucked out of the EU with bad feeling on both sides and suffer a great deal of economic pain as a consequence.

[Vassenor]

Brexit deal 'essentially impossible' after Johnson and Merkel talk on the phone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

So possibly we get an extension, Johnson resigns, we have a general election and the saga continues; or we get chucked out of the EU with bad feeling on both sides and suffer a great deal of economic pain as a consequence.

So yeah we're ejecting with no deal because Johnson's not actually going to extend.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Brexit deal 'essentially impossible' after Johnson and Merkel talk on the phone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

So possibly we get an extension, Johnson resigns, we have a general election and the saga continues; or we get chucked out of the EU with bad feeling on both sides and suffer a great deal of economic pain as a consequence.

"I have lots of room for manoeuvre", local man suggests as he folds himself into a 1" by 1" box.