UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Duhon]

Brexit boosting independence support, Plaid Cymru MP claims

Boris really is going to go down in history as the PM who killed the UK, isn't he.

well fuck

[The Huskar Social Union]

We lost a campaigner yesterday.

Elizabeth Hayes was a British MRA who wrote on the topic and attended rallies and other events. She specialized in male suicide and worked at one of the only men's shelters in the country.
She killed herself after her early onset arthritis made caused her to lose hope.

Rest in peace Elizabeth.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/w ... r-20400773

Im sorry, seemed like a good person.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This is a couple of days old but i was working and didnt get to post it before:

Brexit: PSNI 'won't police customs checkpoints', says chief constable

The Chief Constable Simon Byrne has told Boris Johnson the PSNI will not police any customs checkpoints on the Northern Ireland border after Brexit.

Mr Byrne had a 30 minute video call with the prime minister last Friday.

He also told Mr Johnson he had "no plans to put police officers on any one of 300 crossings" along the border.

Speaking after a meeting of the policing board in Belfast, Mr Byrne said the PSNI does not want "to be dragged into another type of policing".


Speaking on BBC NI's The View later on Thursday, Mr Byrne said: "At the moment we have no plans to put our police officers in that sort of space [border crossings].

He added: "Obviously, as people would expect, we have a duty to protect people's lives, so if we have intelligence about threats to people from other agencies such as customs or the border force working in a particular place where they are vulnerable to attack, we will send officers to protect them.

"But I think it's on a case by case and intelligence-led basis."

[The Huskar Social Union]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

You live in NI, right?

I don't think you need to ask for that, come Brexit.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

You live in NI, right?

I don't think you need to ask for that, come Brexit.

Yes i do.

I shall put up a sign at my house saying "FREE KILL INSIDE. DONT STAIN THE CARPET THO"

[Souseiseki]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

i think i said it before but it's hilarious that we're at the point where hard brexiters have been forced to come up with increasingly looney tunes ideas to make brexit work. so far we've had "armada of magic drones", "just don't bother enforcing the border and hope no one notices" and "they can't accuse of us setting up a border between ireland and northern ireland if the border isn't at the border". gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubePTrs2VJc

[Dumb Ideologies]

I suggest a small buffer state of Middle Ireland, jointly administered by the North and South, and funded primarily by an elaborate series of toll roads with floating prices. All vehicles would be stealth-checked for customs by an elite team of UN ninjas while they're parked up desperately checking for today's cheapest route.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I suggest a small buffer state of Middle Ireland, jointly administered by the North and South, and funded primarily by an elaborate series of toll roads with floating prices. All vehicles would be stealth-checked for customs by an elite team of UN ninjas while they're parked up desperately checking for today's cheapest route.

Probably work better than what has been proposed irl

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

i think i said it before but it's hilarious that we're at the point where hard brexiters have been forced to come up with increasingly looney tunes ideas to make brexit work. so far we've had "armada of magic drones", "just don't bother enforcing the border and hope no one notices" and "they can't accuse of us setting up a border between ireland and northern ireland if the border isn't at the border". gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubePTrs2VJc

Hilarious but sad.

[Philjia]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

I'm sure the All-New All-Different Dissident Republicans/Ulster Loyalists will be happy to oblige.

[Nazis in Space]

Brexit boosting independence support, Plaid Cymru MP claims

Boris really is going to go down in history as the PM who killed the UK, isn't he.

That seems weird, given that Wales did have three quarters of its districts vote leave.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Brexit boosting independence support, Plaid Cymru MP claims

Boris really is going to go down in history as the PM who killed the UK, isn't he.

That seems weird, given that Wales did have three quarters of its districts vote leave.

Have you met the Welsh?

[Duhon]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

wait what

[The Huskar Social Union]

I cant believe he actually put forward a proposal for two borders for Northern Ireland.



Can someone just.. shoot me?

wait what

Goods would be checked going between N. Ireland and Britain to comply with EU standards, and also between N. Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to comply with customs rules. So instead of one border, we get two. And its all voted on by the Stormont Assembly every 4 years.

And its all gona be done electronically. Apparently.

[Hurdergaryp]

wait what

Goods would be checked going between N. Ireland and Britain to comply with EU standards, and also between N. Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to comply with customs rules. So instead of one border, we get two. And its all voted on by the Stormont Assembly every 4 years.

And its all gona be done electronically. Apparently.

Another step closer to Skynet.

[Vassenor]

Brexit boosting independence support, Plaid Cymru MP claims

Boris really is going to go down in history as the PM who killed the UK, isn't he.

That seems weird, given that Wales did have three quarters of its districts vote leave.

You do realise how much the EU has been propping up Wales because Westminster can't be bothered, right?

[Nazis in Space]

That seems weird, given that Wales did have three quarters of its districts vote leave.

You do realise how much the EU has been propping up Wales because Westminster can't be bothered, right?

Yes.

They still voted leave.

Or are you under the impression that the EU only started doing this after the referendum?

In which case I'm afraid you're wrong.

[Vassenor]

You do realise how much the EU has been propping up Wales because Westminster can't be bothered, right?

Yes.

They still voted leave.

Or are you under the impression that the EU only started doing this after the referendum?

In which case I'm afraid you're wrong.

Because they can't possibly have realised they were lied to and now stand to lose out on a whole lot of stuff.

[Nazis in Space]

Yes.

They still voted leave.

Or are you under the impression that the EU only started doing this after the referendum?

In which case I'm afraid you're wrong.

Because they can't possibly have realised they were lied to and now stand to lose out on a whole lot of stuff.

Well, yes. Remain/Leave have been fairly static positions to take the last couple years. I'd have to see rather more than the ramblings of a random MP before buying it.

This is not, of course, helped by Plaid Cymru getting a whopping 20% of the vote and six out of forty seats in the 2016 election. And likewise 20% of the vote and one out of four seats during the 2019 European election (Brexit party won 32% and two out of four seats). Which, three years after the referendum and after the first extension, I think we can safely assume involved people already being aware of the going-ons involved with Brexit.

Oh, right. How did this change relative to the 2014 election?

Why, back then, UKIP won 27% of the vote, while Plaid Cymru won 15% (Tories and Labour were both relevant, while they were wiped out in the 2019 election).

Since I dispute

• that 20% of the vote are a sufficient margin for independence (compare to Scotland, where the SNP's regular 40- 45% results still haven't translated into independence)
• that there is a fundamental Welsh trend towards Remain when the Brexit Party (as UKIP's successor after UKIP went off the rails) managed to increase its fraction of the vote by the same margin Plaid Cymru managed (and let us not forget that this is only in comparison to the preceding European election. Plaid Cymru improved its results by fuckall if we compare to the 2016 UK election, whereas the UKIP/Now Brexit Party block managed to improve its result from 12- to 32%, almost tripling its result between 2016 and 2019, which is, ah... not exactly screaming 'We Welsh wish to stay in the EU!')

I'd indeed argue that that particular MP is talking out of its ass with a healthy dose of wishful thinking sprinkled in.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Asking the real questions


Here is the actual link to the BBC video, its actually interesting to listen to, only bout 2 minutes long.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I can't see Hungary going against the rest of the EU, I'm not sure what we could offer them in return for vetoing an extension.

Hungary usually vetoes EU decision together with Poland, Czechia and Slovakia (the Visegrad group). There is a provision in the Lisabon treaty that says a decisions can be voetoed by 3 or more countries.

Hungary goes against some Council decisions with Visegrad. However, they have not done that for the past extensions. They well could have, because any EU member can veto an extension, but there simply is not enough incentive for Hungary to do anything about it.

[Liriena]

Yeah, that makes sense. One more problem with relying on charity to solve societal ills.

It's soluble with some degree of protection for charity workers, especially those dealing with traumatic fields. But asking charities to spend their funds on mental health for workers would go down like a lead balloon I suspect, at least without a concerted campaign to force them. Ideally there would be more mental health budget including a pro-active mental health sector check up for those involved with care work and trauma work and so on, much like public sector workers get already.

My mom almost died from "Mustnt fuss people worse off than me here" while she had a serious heart condition and we only realized when one day she couldn't get up to leave and basically has to pit stop twice to cross a room. Better now, but agitated the whole time and expecting updates.

Sister went through something similar, meanwhile I convinced myself I was a fuckup and shouldn't ask for help because my problems were self inflicted like drug addiction and dating nutters against people's recommendation, so I'd be using time and resources someone else needed and waste them basically.

My guess would be a similar kind of dissonance where her arthritis is somehow less worth help than those she was helping so she didn't want to be a drain on people's time and resources. Idk if there is a name for that viewpoint, but it's common

I'm glad your mum is doing better.

And yeah, I can see that mindset. Selflessness leading to dangerous self-neglect.

[Ostroeuropa]

What Institutional Islamophilia, where?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/si ... -1-5017507

TL;DR
A prominent Sikh Peer who has worked for the BBC for 35 years was going to do a segment on the 5th Guru of Sikhism, the Gurus being the most prominent holy figures and teachers of the religion, who was burned alive for refusing to convert to Islam.

The BBC axed the segment claiming the topic would offend Muslims, and the Sikh has quit, calling the BBC prejudiced. (The script contained no criticism of Islam. It merely matter of factly told the story of the 5th guru and his life and what spiritual lessons can be learned from it.).

This is a good example of how Islamophilia makes everyone who isn't a Muslim into second class citizens. Most prominently white people, but all non-muslims have good reason to be afraid of this trend.

Lord Singh told The Times: "It was like saying to a Christian that he or she should not talk about Easter for fear of giving offence to the Jews."

(TFW Islamophilia is so extreme that Muslims are even more protected than the "Muh anti-semitism" lobby.).

[Proctopeo]

What Institutional Islamophilia, where?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/si ... -1-5017507

TL;DR
A prominent Sikh Peer who has worked for the BBC for 35 years was going to do a segment on the 5th Guru of Sikhism, the Gurus being the most prominent holy figures and teachers of the religion, who was burned alive for refusing to convert to Islam.

The BBC axed the segment claiming the topic would offend Muslims, and the Sikh has quit, calling the BBC prejudiced. (The script contained no criticism of Islam. It merely matter of factly told the story of the 5th guru and his life and what spiritual lessons can be learned from it.).

This is a good example of how Islamophilia makes everyone who isn't a Muslim into second class citizens. Most prominently white people, but all non-muslims have good reason to be afraid of this trend.

Lord Singh told The Times: "It was like saying to a Christian that he or she should not talk about Easter for fear of giving offence to the Jews."

(TFW Islamophilia is so extreme that Muslims are even more protected than the "Muh anti-semitism" lobby.).

Pretty ridiculous tbh.
Maybe the BBC took offense at the part where the Mughal emperor had him arrested, demanded he convert to Islam, and had him executed when he refused? I don't see why that would be a valid reason to axe something, but it is the United Kingdom...

[Ostroeuropa]

What Institutional Islamophilia, where?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/si ... -1-5017507

TL;DR
A prominent Sikh Peer who has worked for the BBC for 35 years was going to do a segment on the 5th Guru of Sikhism, the Gurus being the most prominent holy figures and teachers of the religion, who was burned alive for refusing to convert to Islam.

The BBC axed the segment claiming the topic would offend Muslims, and the Sikh has quit, calling the BBC prejudiced. (The script contained no criticism of Islam. It merely matter of factly told the story of the 5th guru and his life and what spiritual lessons can be learned from it.).

This is a good example of how Islamophilia makes everyone who isn't a Muslim into second class citizens. Most prominently white people, but all non-muslims have good reason to be afraid of this trend.



(TFW Islamophilia is so extreme that Muslims are even more protected than the "Muh anti-semitism" lobby.).

Pretty ridiculous tbh.
Maybe the BBC took offense at the part where the Mughal emperor had him arrested, demanded he convert to Islam, and had him executed when he refused? I don't see why that would be a valid reason to axe something, but it is the United Kingdom...

Being offended at facts and calling people who note them evil is basically par for the course for intersectional types these days.