UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Way ahead of you.

Also ignoring a few others around here, ignorance is bliss

But silence is golden

Ignorance is bliss, silence is golden, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, byeeeeeee!

[Hirota]

I do not understand the big deal over if someone is biased or not. Everyone is innately biased on some level as a result of a number of factors through our lifetimes.

The trick is understanding that it exists and understanding how that can hinder you in life.

[Hirota]

But the Brexit secretary is quite right in saying that the specifics of an agreement do not have to be hammered out for another 21 months, although I'm pretty certain some of the brexiteers now in government are responsible for the backstop not getting accepted in the first place.

So Mays WA? I doubt that will happen, but its possible I guess. Without the WA there is no more time to do anything regarding the withdrawal which means hard border and all the fun things.

Apologies, I forgot to reply.

I do rather suspect the Boris is finding himself with considerably less negotiating room that he thought before taking the top job. In that regard the government might be negotiating with the EU and/or Member States for what limited wriggle room there is from Mays original deal, and then spinning any change from the original deal between EU and British governments as some form of victory.

I've got no real evidence for that, it's just a gut feeling, so feel free to disregard.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I do rather suspect the Boris is finding himself with considerably less negotiating room that he thought before taking the top job.

I think basically everybody who wasn't Jacob Rees-Mogg was telling him this since he assumed Downing Street 10. <.>

[Hurdergaryp]

I do rather suspect the Boris is finding himself with considerably less negotiating room that he thought before taking the top job.

I think basically everybody who wasn't Jacob Rees-Mogg was telling him this since he assumed Downing Street 10. <.>

Boris, however, is pathologically optimistic.

[Thermodolia]

There is something ironic about all this.
Around this time in the past 2 centuries there have been political upheavals and concerns.

1810s - Napoleon Bonaparte and the War of 1812 in North America.
1910s - Rise of Fascism and Communism following WW1
2010s - Brexit and Trump.

Actually fascism came about in the 1920’s

[Thermodolia]

That still remains to be seen. His lasting influence will probably only be known after he left office.

So far, both the fall of Berlin wall/fall of the USSR and 9/11 have been more influential.

Fall of Berlin was precisely the "Game-changer" event in the ending of the 20th century. And honestly maybe it'll not be that big a game-changer, but Trump coincided with a resurgence of the Far-right in many countries that had gotten rid of that infestation decades ago. Though technically Orban in Hungary preceded him.

Yes but the rise of the far right came about due to fears of Islamic terrorism following 9/11

[Nakena]

That still remains to be seen. His lasting influence will probably only be known after he left office.

So far, both the fall of Berlin wall/fall of the USSR and 9/11 have been more influential.

Fall of Berlin was precisely the "Game-changer" event in the ending of the 20th century. And honestly maybe it'll not be that big a game-changer, but Trump coincided with a resurgence of the Far-right in many countries that had gotten rid of that infestation decades ago. Though technically Orban in Hungary preceded him.

Trump isn't cause but result of the last 20 years of american politics. As for the rise of the dissident right, Trump and then Ukraine and later the refugee crisis fuelled the fire but it was already existing beforehand.

[Vassenor]

So apparently seeing EU flags on telly still triggers hardcore Leavers.

I thought they were supposed to be the anti-Snowflake brigade.

[Ther Sul Citzpacia]

Yes but the rise of the far right came about due to fears of Islamic terrorism following 9/11

There has been undercurrents of right wing politics since the war - an example is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rally_(France)#Electoral_breakthrough_(1982%E2%80%931988)

but there are others

[Hirota]

So apparently seeing EU flags on telly still triggers hardcore Leavers.

I thought they were supposed to be the anti-Snowflake brigade.

Of course it doesn't take much imagination to expect that a bunch of posh white people are going to wave EU flags when they overwelmingly voted to remain.I remember reading about the same being done in 2016, I imagine it probably happened in 2017 and 2018, so I have to wonder if this is really a surprise to anyone.

As an aside, finding the possibly single ethnic minority audience member is a bit like playing Wheres Waldo. It apparently looks the same every year.

[Cupofchar]

[quote="Vassenor";p="36242989"]So apparently seeing EU flags on telly still triggers hardcore Leavers.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9931273/bbc-brexit-proms-eu-flags/

meanwhile, remainers who hijacked the event don't like their media coverage being marred by 'brexiters displaying' the odd banner. The mad reactionary faction of the remain camp shows their 'democratic' credentials by closing down free speech.

[Vassenor]

So apparently seeing EU flags on telly still triggers hardcore Leavers.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9931273/bbc-brexit-proms-eu-flags/

meanwhile, remainers who hijacked the event don't like their media coverage being marred by 'brexiters displaying' the odd banner. The mad reactionary faction of the remain camp shows their 'democratic' credentials by closing down free speech.

>Taking anything The Sun says seriously

>even once

[Fartsniffage]

So apparently seeing EU flags on telly still triggers hardcore Leavers.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9931273/bbc-brexit-proms-eu-flags/

meanwhile, remainers who hijacked the event don't like their media coverage being marred by 'brexiters displaying' the odd banner. The mad reactionary faction of the remain camp shows their 'democratic' credentials by closing down free speech.

You used The Sun as a source. Please don't do that, they're scum of the lowest order.

[The New California Republic]

You used The Sun as a source. Please don't do that, they're scum of the lowest order.

Yeah The Sun is literally dogshit. In fact, at least dogshit is honest about what it is, so that's probably a totally unnecessary slander against dogshit...

[Cupofchar]

You used The Sun as a source. Please don't do that, they're scum of the lowest order.

They've got some unsavoury episodes in their history most notably Hillsboro- but as the arguments surrounding Brexit have descended to such a level that with such an absence of truth and balance they are no less biased than other sources.

[Fartsniffage]

You used The Sun as a source. Please don't do that, they're scum of the lowest order.

They've got some unsavoury episodes in their history most notably Hillsboro- but as the arguments surrounding Brexit have descended to such a level that with such an absence of truth and balance they are no less biased than other sources.

*Puts you in a room with Ben Stokes*

[Vassenor]

You used The Sun as a source. Please don't do that, they're scum of the lowest order.

They've got some unsavoury episodes in their history most notably Hillsboro- but as the arguments surrounding Brexit have descended to such a level that with such an absence of truth and balance they are no less biased than other sources.

So got any supporting sources to show this isn't them bullshitting?

Because right now you're just doing a weak BUT BOTH SIDES spiel because heaven forbid people depict Leavers in a negative light.

[Nimzonia]

You used The Sun as a source. Please don't do that, they're scum of the lowest order.

They've got some unsavoury episodes in their history most notably Hillsboro- but as the arguments surrounding Brexit have descended to such a level that with such an absence of truth and balance they are no less biased than other sources.

The Sun is nothing but a propaganda outlet that exists for the sole purpose of conning working class people into voting Tory.

[Myfanwyski]

So got any supporting sources to show this isn't them bullshitting?

Because right now you're just doing a weak BUT BOTH SIDES spiel because heaven forbid people depict Leavers in a negative light.

Talk about he without sin can cast the first stone - you regularly determine the motivations and aims of the leave side and paint it as fact with your posts. eg- Boris wants a no-deal - amongst other things you have devined from rune casting or whatever- unless you have a source for that?

because heaven forbid people depict Leavers in a negative light- what?? they've already been tarred as racist, braindead little englanders so maybe a nerve was touched?

[Vassenor]

So got any supporting sources to show this isn't them bullshitting?

Because right now you're just doing a weak BUT BOTH SIDES spiel because heaven forbid people depict Leavers in a negative light.

Talk about he without sin can cast the first stone - you regularly determine the motivations and aims of the leave side and paint it as fact with your posts. eg- Boris wants a no-deal - amongst other things you have devined from rune casting or whatever- unless you have a source for that?

because heaven forbid people depict Leavers in a negative light- what?? they've already been tarred as racist, braindead little englanders so maybe a nerve was touched?

Sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here? Because you clearly haven't actually been reading what I post so much as assuming I post what you want me to have posted.

[Cupofchar]

They've got some unsavoury episodes in their history most notably Hillsboro- but as the arguments surrounding Brexit have descended to such a level that with such an absence of truth and balance they are no less biased than other sources.

*Puts you in a room with Ben Stokes*

Should have added - on this topic-

[Vassenor]

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*Puts you in a room with Ben Stokes*

Should have added - on this topic-

You mean like falsely claiming that the Queen was pro-leave?

[Galloism]

On the plus side, even you couldn't accuse Boris of feminism so there does exist at least one problem in the world for which feminists are not responsible.

Firstly, There's plenty, and I talk about them with some regularity. It's merely that this triggers feminists so badly that it fills their entire perception, a good indication they aren't actually seeing things as they are.

Secondly, https://j4mb.org.uk/2019/07/18/boris-jo ... -feminist/

The fuck did I just read.

[Philjia]

Labour attempts to get rid of Tom Watson by abolishing his post, fails. However they're going to have another go at the conference and are expected to succeed.