UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

If we have "new information" and the tides have changed, why is everyone on the Remain side so opposed to a general election? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

[Greed and Death]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

Because voting until you get the result you want isn't democracy.

[Dooom35796821595]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

Because no one trusts politicians? And a lot of the talk on a second referendum was “crappy deal or remain”.

[Vassenor]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

Because voting until you get the result you want isn't democracy.

So regular elections are undemocratic?

[Dooom35796821595]

Because voting until you get the result you want isn't democracy.

So regular elections are undemocratic?

Its more like continued elections until your party is in power.

[Gormwood]

So regular elections are undemocratic?

Its more like continued elections until your party is in power.

So... democracy.

[Dooom35796821595]

Its more like continued elections until your party is in power.

So... democracy.

No, it’s nothing like democracy, it’s normally the death of it, since the groups who use such tactics tend to stop holding elections as soon as they get into power.

[Alvecia]

So... democracy.

No, it’s nothing like democracy, it’s normally the death of it, since the groups who use such tactics tend to stop holding elections as soon as they get into power.

I mean, continual election starting immediately after the last one ended, sure.
But 3 years down the line with as many years of extra context, hardly the same. Is been almost a full term.

[Vassenor]

No, it’s nothing like democracy, it’s normally the death of it, since the groups who use such tactics tend to stop holding elections as soon as they get into power.

I mean, continual election starting immediately after the last one ended, sure.
But 3 years down the line with as many years of extra context, hardly the same. Is been almost a full term.

And therein lies the problem. They can't guarantee that people actually will still vote to leave.

[Salandriagado]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

If we have "new information" and the tides have changed, why is everyone on the Remain side so opposed to a general election? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

We aren't. We were opposed to a general election bill being passed, because that would hand Johnson the power to crash us out of the EU without a deal, bypassing Parliament.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

If we have "new information" and the tides have changed, why is everyone on the Remain side so opposed to a general election? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

Im all for a general election.

[Myfanwyski]

I was looking for examples of Remainers badgering Leavers whether they'd be campaigning for another referendum if they lost during the results program . There were many examples of that, but to save myself trawling through the coverage I began looking for a text of the procedings. So, I did a search but came across an article from those times that makes interesting reading with the context of time.

I haven't read the entire thing thing but it should interest you and put the cat amongst the pigeons.

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

[Vassenor]

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

If we have "new information" and the tides have changed, why is everyone on the Remain side so opposed to a general election? Surely all it can do is confirm that.

You mean the election everyone has said they're OK with so long as Johnson can't use it to force No Deal? That Election?

[The Blaatschapen]

I was looking for examples of Remainers badgering Leavers whether they'd be campaigning for another referendum if they lost during the results program . There were many examples of that, but to save myself trawling through the coverage I began looking for a text of the procedings. So, I did a search but came across an article from those times that makes interesting reading with the context of time.

I haven't read the entire thing thing but it should interest you and put the cat amongst the pigeons.

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

If you haven't read the entire thing, why should it interest me?

[Loben The 2nd]

So... democracy.

No, it’s nothing like democracy, it’s normally the death of it, since the groups who use such tactics tend to stop holding elections as soon as they get into power.

tbh looking at the UK to be the standard bearer for democracy is like looking at a corpse to be the standard bearer for the living.

[Dooom35796821595]

I mean, continual election starting immediately after the last one ended, sure.
But 3 years down the line with as many years of extra context, hardly the same. Is been almost a full term.

And therein lies the problem. They can't guarantee that people actually will still vote to leave.

And what if they hold a new one, but remain win by a narrower margin with a smaller turnout? When will the next one be? Will we have constant referendums until one side win by a landslide, or three in a row?

[Loben The 2nd]

And therein lies the problem. They can't guarantee that people actually will still vote to leave.

And what if they hold a new one, but remain win by a narrower margin with a smaller turnout? When will the next one be? Will we have constant referendums until one side win by a landslide, or three in a row?

best of 3 out of 5.

[Fartsniffage]

And therein lies the problem. They can't guarantee that people actually will still vote to leave.

And what if they hold a new one, but remain win by a narrower margin with a smaller turnout? When will the next one be? Will we have constant referendums until one side win by a landslide, or three in a row?

As things stand it would be a mandate for leaving without a deal.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And therein lies the problem. They can't guarantee that people actually will still vote to leave.

And what if they hold a new one, but remain win by a narrower margin with a smaller turnout? When will the next one be? Will we have constant referendums until one side win by a landslide, or three in a row?

I suspect that the result would be exactly what it would have been if remain had won in 2016.

[Fartsniffage]

And what if they hold a new one, but remain win by a narrower margin with a smaller turnout? When will the next one be? Will we have constant referendums until one side win by a landslide, or three in a row?

I suspect that the result would be exactly what it would have been if remain had won in 2016.

Only a 2/3rds majority would have stopped the campaigns for a second referendum. The face of Brexit said that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I suspect that the result would be exactly what it would have been if remain had won in 2016.

Only a 2/3rds majority would have stopped the campaigns for a second referendum. The face of Brexit said that.

I don't deny that Brexit supporters would be pushing for a second referendum, however do you think there's any chance of the people who actually have influence in this country allowing for one? A remain win and Brexit supporters are still on the fringes of a Cameron-led tory party.

[Vassenor]

I suspect that the result would be exactly what it would have been if remain had won in 2016.

Only a 2/3rds majority would have stopped the campaigns for a second referendum. The face of Brexit said that.

But funny how that doesn't apply when his side wins by a slim majority.

[Fartsniffage]

Only a 2/3rds majority would have stopped the campaigns for a second referendum. The face of Brexit said that.

I don't deny that Brexit supporters would be pushing for a second referendum, however do you think there's any chance of the people who actually have influence in this country allowing for one? A remain win and Brexit supporters are still on the fringes of a Cameron-led tory party.

A Cameron lead Tory party afraid of the split vote with UKIP? Maybe. It's why they had the vote in the first place after all.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't deny that Brexit supporters would be pushing for a second referendum, however do you think there's any chance of the people who actually have influence in this country allowing for one? A remain win and Brexit supporters are still on the fringes of a Cameron-led tory party.

A Cameron lead Tory party afraid of the split vote with UKIP? Maybe. It's why they had the vote in the first place after all.

I think many, myself included, would probably have said you can't have a second referendum right after the first one. If it happened, it would be much later on.

[Fartsniffage]

A Cameron lead Tory party afraid of the split vote with UKIP? Maybe. It's why they had the vote in the first place after all.

I think many, myself included, would probably have said you can't have a second referendum right after the first one. If it happened, it would be much later on.

But there is a difference. At the moment leavers want to change the status quo. If we change it then we'll never get back what we had so there is a time constraint on making sure it's the right decision.