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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:26 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Troubles can start again :)

People can be unconcerned.

People can also try and understand what the fuck they are talking about before they put their hands on the keyboard.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:37 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Troubles can start again :)

People can be unconcerned.

People unconcerned about tit for tat killings, RPG rounds fired at public buildings, and bombs being planted as a daily occurrence? I refuse to believe that even you with your "maximum chaos" and deep-seated malevolence towards others could seriously believe that.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:People can be unconcerned.

People unconcerned about tit for tat killings, RPG rounds fired at public buildings, and bombs being planted as a daily occurrence? I refuse to believe that even you with your "maximum chaos" and deep-seated malevolence towards others could seriously believe that.

He literally argued why dont we build a wall and put an underground tunnel for trade.

He knows fuck all about this place, or what its like here, and is continuing with his edgy societal destruction bollocks.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:42 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:People can be unconcerned.

People unconcerned about tit for tat killings, RPG rounds fired at public buildings, and bombs being planted as a daily occurrence? I refuse to believe that even you with your "maximum chaos" and deep-seated malevolence towards others could seriously believe that.

I mean knowing GVH he probably does. He did once say throwing the UK into chaos was a good thing in his eyes.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:17 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:People unconcerned about tit for tat killings, RPG rounds fired at public buildings, and bombs being planted as a daily occurrence? I refuse to believe that even you with your "maximum chaos" and deep-seated malevolence towards others could seriously believe that.

He literally argued why dont we build a wall and put an underground tunnel for trade.

He knows fuck all about this place, or what its like here, and is continuing with his edgy societal destruction bollocks.

I still like my free trade zone idea, honestly.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:18 am

The Salvation Army, and other groups, are helping the Home Office deport vulnerable homeless people. People are lured in to "immigration surgeries" in churches and community centres with promises of help with their immigration status and assurances that this is not part of an enforcement approach, but in fact this is an initiative of the Home Office's immigration enforcement unit.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:21 am

Ifreann wrote:The Salvation Army, and other groups, are helping the Home Office deport vulnerable homeless people. People are lured in to "immigration surgeries" in churches and community centres with promises of help with their immigration status and assurances that this is not part of an enforcement approach, but in fact this is an initiative of the Home Office's immigration enforcement unit.

For fuck's sake. I would have thought that the Salvie knew better, but clearly not.
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Postby Neragua » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:22 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Have UK voters changed their minds on Brexit?

And the answer is maybe?

More of a 'not really' if you read the article.
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:35 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Have UK voters changed their minds on Brexit?

And the answer is maybe?


The article you linked says probably not.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:36 am

DUP defends Arlene Foster's 'astonishing' meetings with senior loyalists

THE DUP has defended its leader's decision to meet loyalist paramilitaries to discuss the implications of a mooted Brexit deal that could see a so-called border in the Irish Sea.

Arlene Foster and other senior party figures are reported to have held talks in recent days with high-ranking figures from the UVF and UDA - including south Belfast's Jackie McDonald.

The meetings follow weekend reports of potential loyalist protests if the Northern Ireland's status in the UK is "diluted" after the UK leaves the EU.

A spokesman for the DUP said: "The party engages with a range of stakeholders about a range of matters on an ongoing basis in the interests of moving Northern Ireland forward."


So are the DUP bum mates with loyalist paramilitaries? Are they letting paramilitaries voices and opinions inform their actions and policies for the future?

The answer, wont shock you.

Also lol at sf calling them out on this.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:45 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The Salvation Army, and other groups, are helping the Home Office deport vulnerable homeless people. People are lured in to "immigration surgeries" in churches and community centres with promises of help with their immigration status and assurances that this is not part of an enforcement approach, but in fact this is an initiative of the Home Office's immigration enforcement unit.

For fuck's sake. I would have thought that the Salvie knew better, but clearly not.

I imagine they know full well what they're doing.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:55 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So are the DUP bum mates with loyalist paramilitaries? Are they letting paramilitaries voices and opinions inform their actions and policies for the future?

The answer, wont shock you.

Also lol at sf calling them out on this.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:26 am

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Have UK voters changed their minds on Brexit?

And the answer is maybe?


The article you linked says probably not.


It also shows majority support for abandoning Brexit entirely.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:30 am


Good. The entire plan was unworkable. The government was repeatedly told it was unworkable, but they pressed ahead anyway; but it shouldn't surprise me that it took them until now to realise what everybody else already knew.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:47 am

The New California Republic wrote:

Good. The entire plan was unworkable. The government was repeatedly told it was unworkable, but they pressed ahead anyway; but it shouldn't surprise me that it took them until now to realise what everybody else already knew.

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The New California Republic wrote:

Good. The entire plan was unworkable. The government was repeatedly told it was unworkable, but they pressed ahead anyway; but it shouldn't surprise me that it took them until now to realise what everybody else already knew.

This is so sad Alexa play Entry of the Gladiators. I'd love to know how much public money was wasted on this terrible idea.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
The article you linked says probably not.


It also shows majority support for abandoning Brexit entirely.


No it doesn’t.
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Philjia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Good. The entire plan was unworkable. The government was repeatedly told it was unworkable, but they pressed ahead anyway; but it shouldn't surprise me that it took them until now to realise what everybody else already knew.

This is so sad Alexa play Entry of the Gladiators. I'd love to know how much public money was wasted on this terrible idea.

As usual for the Tory nanny state: Too much.
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:02 am

Vassenor wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
The article you linked says probably not.


It also shows majority support for abandoning Brexit entirely.


Which graph are you reading?

Simplified for you:

Graph 1:
46% Some kind of leave in general
34% Revoke/Ref2

Graph 2:
40% Some kind of leave on 31 Oct
9% Extension
18% Ref 2
22% Revoke

Graph 3:
67% of Remain voters in 2016 want to Revoke Brexit
27% of Remain voters in 2016 want some kind of Brexit
----
6% of Leave voters in 2016 want to Revoke Brexit
82% of Leave voters in 2016 want some kind of Brexit

For each 2016 Leave voter who now wants to Remain or have a second referendum (caveat: some Leave voters might want 2nd ref but vote Leave again anyway), there is a 2016 Remain voter who wants No deal at the end of this month, and that's not even counting double that number of Remainers who want another extension or May's deal.

Please tell me which one shows majority support for staying in the EU and kindly explain the mental gymnastics used to reach said conclusion.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:35 am

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
It also shows majority support for abandoning Brexit entirely.


Which graph are you reading?

Simplified for you:

Graph 1:
46% Some kind of leave in general
34% Revoke/Ref2

Graph 2:
40% Some kind of leave on 31 Oct
9% Extension
18% Ref 2
22% Revoke

Graph 3:
67% of Remain voters in 2016 want to Revoke Brexit
27% of Remain voters in 2016 want some kind of Brexit
----
6% of Leave voters in 2016 want to Revoke Brexit
82% of Leave voters in 2016 want some kind of Brexit

For each 2016 Leave voter who now wants to Remain or have a second referendum (caveat: some Leave voters might want 2nd ref but vote Leave again anyway), there is a 2016 Remain voter who wants No deal at the end of this month, and that's not even counting double that number of Remainers who want another extension or May's deal.

Please tell me which one shows majority support for staying in the EU and kindly explain the mental gymnastics used to reach said conclusion.


Says the person who can't be bothered accounting for split opposition voting.
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:58 am

Vassenor wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Which graph are you reading?

Simplified for you:

Graph 1:
46% Some kind of leave in general
34% Revoke/Ref2

Graph 2:
40% Some kind of leave on 31 Oct
9% Extension
18% Ref 2
22% Revoke

Graph 3:
67% of Remain voters in 2016 want to Revoke Brexit
27% of Remain voters in 2016 want some kind of Brexit
----
6% of Leave voters in 2016 want to Revoke Brexit
82% of Leave voters in 2016 want some kind of Brexit

For each 2016 Leave voter who now wants to Remain or have a second referendum (caveat: some Leave voters might want 2nd ref but vote Leave again anyway), there is a 2016 Remain voter who wants No deal at the end of this month, and that's not even counting double that number of Remainers who want another extension or May's deal.

Please tell me which one shows majority support for staying in the EU and kindly explain the mental gymnastics used to reach said conclusion.


Says the person who can't be bothered accounting for split opposition voting.


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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:02 am

So here's the million pound question: If Brexit is still 100% the will of the people why is everyone on the Leave side so opposed to a second referendum? Surely all it can do is confirm that.
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