UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Vassenor]

Ideally they should wait until a Democrat gets in the White House.

Are you kidding her husband was a Obama appointee Trump is planning on using this to paint Democrats as a bunch of irresponsible alcoholics during the election campaign.

Your quest for Justice may do more to reelect Trump than anything else I know.

Remember, everything guarantees Trump gets re-elected with a landslide.

[Greed and Death]

Are you kidding her husband was a Obama appointee Trump is planning on using this to paint Democrats as a bunch of irresponsible alcoholics during the election campaign.

Your quest for Justice may do more to reelect Trump than anything else I know.

Remember, everything guarantees Trump gets re-elected with a landslide.

Sure just ask his Twitter account.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50036463

CBI estimate labours nationalisation plan will cost £196 billion.

Labours response? “A Labour spokesman said the CBI was more interested in protecting shareholders than in creating a fair economy. He accused the organisation of "incoherent scaremongering".”

[Philjia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50036463

CBI estimate labours nationalisation plan will cost £196 billion.

Labours response? “A Labour spokesman said the CBI was more interested in protecting shareholders than in creating a fair economy. He accused the organisation of "incoherent scaremongering".”

The utility companies and rail companies are mostly fucking appalling and taking them into public ownership would probably help. Doing them all at once may be a tad ambitious though. The railways and energy companies should probably be the priority.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50036463

CBI estimate labours nationalisation plan will cost £196 billion.

Labours response? “A Labour spokesman said the CBI was more interested in protecting shareholders than in creating a fair economy. He accused the organisation of "incoherent scaremongering".”

The utility companies and rail companies are mostly fucking appalling and taking them into public ownership would probably help. Doing them all at once may be a tad ambitious though. The railways and energy companies should probably be the priority.

The reason they’re so awful is the lack of regulation and awful structure. For example, the train franchises allow companies to make loads of money while the government pays for the infrastructure upgrades their whole business runs on.

If they want to fix it, either make the companies pull their weight and be more competitive and earn their money, or seize them without compensation citing national security or some other BS.

Buying them up at massive prices without fixing their inherent problems and then having them privatised by the tories 10 years later for some fast cash is not a viable solution.

[Greed and Death]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50036463

CBI estimate labours nationalisation plan will cost £196 billion.

Labours response? “A Labour spokesman said the CBI was more interested in protecting shareholders than in creating a fair economy. He accused the organisation of "incoherent scaremongering".”

Surely just doubling the tax should cover it.

[Ifreann]

Albion status: Perfidious as fuck.

[Alvecia]

Albion status: Perfidious as fuck.

That's...actually super confusing

[The Huskar Social Union]

Albion status: Perfidious as fuck.

Was just about to post that.

[Ifreann]

Albion status: Perfidious as fuck.

That's...actually super confusing

Apparently when the British government agreed to let people identify as British, or Irish, or both, what they meant was "Haha, fuck you, we'll do what we want".

[The Huskar Social Union]

Albion status: Perfidious as fuck.

That's...actually super confusing

The GFA allows people from NI to identify as Irish or British, and to hold citizenship for both if they wish to. The UK nationality law on the other hand says that anyone born in the UK, including NI is British first.

She tried to apply for a residency card for her american partner under an irish passport and this was denied and she was told she was British and that the irish passport would not work, and for her to do it under an irish passport she would have to renounce her british citizenship iirc.

Its basically because the UK government made no legislation to amend the UK nationality law to take the GFA into account (The GFA being an international treaty, and the nationality law being domestic law) . And its basically telling Irish people in NI that even if you identify as Irish, you are British end of despite the GFA saying otherwise.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

They must have been watching the Chinese ignore 'one country, two systems' in Hong Kong.

[Fartsniffage]

That's...actually super confusing

The GFA allows people from NI to identify as Irish or British, and to hold citizenship for both if they wish to. The UK nationality law on the other hand says that anyone born in the UK, including NI is British first.

She tried to apply for a residency card for her american partner under an irish passport and this was denied and she was told she was British and that the irish passport would not work, and for her to do it under an irish passport she would have to renounce her british citizenship iirc.

Its basically because the UK government made no legislation to amend the UK nationality law to take the GFA into account. And its basically telling Irish people in NI that even if you identify as Irish, you are British end of despite the GFA saying otherwise.

I'm confused here. Since the GFA is more recent then why doesn't it take precedence?

[The Huskar Social Union]

The GFA allows people from NI to identify as Irish or British, and to hold citizenship for both if they wish to. The UK nationality law on the other hand says that anyone born in the UK, including NI is British first.

She tried to apply for a residency card for her american partner under an irish passport and this was denied and she was told she was British and that the irish passport would not work, and for her to do it under an irish passport she would have to renounce her british citizenship iirc.

Its basically because the UK government made no legislation to amend the UK nationality law to take the GFA into account. And its basically telling Irish people in NI that even if you identify as Irish, you are British end of despite the GFA saying otherwise.

I'm confused here. Since the GFA is more recent then why doesn't it take precedence?

I just edited by post there, its because the GFA is an international treaty technically, and the nationality law is a domestic law, so technically it takes precedence i believe.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm confused here. Since the GFA is more recent then why doesn't it take precedence?

I just edited by post there, its because the GFA is an international treaty technically, and the nationality law is a domestic law, so technically it takes precedence i believe.

Well that's a cock up. I'd say time to change the law but the Torys would fuck it up and we'd end up marching on Dublin...

[Alvecia]

That's...actually super confusing

The GFA allows people from NI to identify as Irish or British, and to hold citizenship for both if they wish to. The UK nationality law on the other hand says that anyone born in the UK, including NI is British first.

She tried to apply for a residency card for her american partner under an irish passport and this was denied and she was told she was British and that the irish passport would not work, and for her to do it under an irish passport she would have to renounce her british citizenship iirc.

Its basically because the UK government made no legislation to amend the UK nationality law to take the GFA into account (The GFA being an international treaty, and the nationality law being domestic law) . And its basically telling Irish people in NI that even if you identify as Irish, you are British end of despite the GFA saying otherwise.

Ah, okay.

Well that’s a dick move. Present and past.

[Fartsniffage]

The GFA allows people from NI to identify as Irish or British, and to hold citizenship for both if they wish to. The UK nationality law on the other hand says that anyone born in the UK, including NI is British first.

She tried to apply for a residency card for her american partner under an irish passport and this was denied and she was told she was British and that the irish passport would not work, and for her to do it under an irish passport she would have to renounce her british citizenship iirc.

Its basically because the UK government made no legislation to amend the UK nationality law to take the GFA into account (The GFA being an international treaty, and the nationality law being domestic law) . And its basically telling Irish people in NI that even if you identify as Irish, you are British end of despite the GFA saying otherwise.

Ah, okay.

Well that’s a dick move. Present and past.

Nah, it's the right move. If it wasn't highlighted in the courts as an issue then the government wouldn't have been able to sort it out. It clearly wasn't on anybodies radar before since it hasn't come up in over 20 years.

[Alvecia]

Ah, okay.

Well that’s a dick move. Present and past.

Nah, it's the right move. If it wasn't highlighted in the courts as an issue then the government wouldn't have been able to sort it out. It clearly wasn't on anybodies radar before since it hasn't come up in over 20 years.

Does the domestic law necessarily have to take precedence, or is it a bit more flexible?

[Fartsniffage]

Nah, it's the right move. If it wasn't highlighted in the courts as an issue then the government wouldn't have been able to sort it out. It clearly wasn't on anybodies radar before since it hasn't come up in over 20 years.

Does the domestic law necessarily have to take precedence, or is it a bit more flexible?

The judges and civil servants have to follow the law as it stands. It's up to the government to sort this fuck up out.

[Alvecia]

Does the domestic law necessarily have to take precedence, or is it a bit more flexible?

The judges and civil servants have to follow the law as it stands. It's up to the government to sort this fuck up out.

Seems like a massive oversight that international agreements can be signed that are directly contradicted by domestic law.

Particularly one such as the GFA.

[Fartsniffage]

The judges and civil servants have to follow the law as it stands. It's up to the government to sort this fuck up out.

Seems like a massive oversight that international agreements can be signed that are directly contradicted by domestic law.

Particularly one such as the GFA.

It's a fundamental part of the British constitution. The supremacy of Parliament. What they should have done is amend the Nationality Act back when the treaty was ratified.

I'm going to go with an honest mistake in this case. The Blair government was pretty cool about NI and Ireland so I can't see it being malicious.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Seems like a massive oversight that international agreements can be signed that are directly contradicted by domestic law.

Particularly one such as the GFA.

It's a fundamental part of the British constitution. The supremacy of Parliament. What they should have done is amend the Nationality Act back when the treaty was ratified.

I'm going to go with an honest mistake in this case. The Blair government was pretty cool about NI and Ireland so I can't see it being malicious.

I dont think its malicious either, most likely being an oversight, though i wont expect the law to be amended anytime soon to sort it out given how much of a shit show the current british administration is and the current stuff happening regarding brexit.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's a fundamental part of the British constitution. The supremacy of Parliament. What they should have done is amend the Nationality Act back when the treaty was ratified.

I'm going to go with an honest mistake in this case. The Blair government was pretty cool about NI and Ireland so I can't see it being malicious.

I dont think its malicious either, most likely being an oversight, though i wont expect the law to be amended anytime soon to sort it out given how much of a shit show the current british administration is and the current stuff happening regarding brexit.

Amending would need some legislative business to get through parliament. That's very much gone out of fashion.

[Stiltball]

though i wont expect the law to be amended anytime soon to sort it out given how much of a shit show the current british administration is and the current stuff happening regarding brexit.

ah! shit show - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink

this lot though would probably put pegs on their noses.

Though from what the media said about income tax needing to be renewed each year so it doesn't fall into abeyance. Could Britain be headed to a 'government shutdown' ala USA?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Simon Coveney:

Citizenship + Identity provisions critical to the GFA. UK Govt has pledged to review rules around citizenship and deliver a long term solution consistent with GFA. An outcome is urgently needed and I will raise this again with Secretary of State for NI tomorrow @EmmandJDeSouza