UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Andsed]

Would you call the life of a serf between 500 and 1400 AD 'good'?

No, but I wouldn't be in that position.

Well one there is no way you can know that for sure. And secondly do you really have so little empathy that you care so little for the lives of others?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Then either get the fuck out of the territories of the state you refuse to pay rent to or keep mumbling as much as you want while paying your rent (or getting persecuted for not paying it). It's the price you pay for existing while being on a state's sovereign territory.

Or exploit any tax loopholes you can find. The state has been mothering people for far too long. It isn't everyone elses responsibility to pay your rent because you don't have a job or to help you get better because your broke your leg. An unfortunate thing happened to you. I don't know you. Please find somebody else to fund your recovery. It isn't fair to expect people to be charities.

Dont ever call the Police whenever something bad happens to you then. Or any members of your family.

[Ostroeuropa]

Or exploit any tax loopholes you can find. The state has been mothering people for far too long. It isn't everyone elses responsibility to pay your rent because you don't have a job or to help you get better because your broke your leg. An unfortunate thing happened to you. I don't know you. Please find somebody else to fund your recovery. It isn't fair to expect people to be charities.

Dont ever call the Police whenever something bad happens to you then. Or any members of your family.

Tbh, even though the ideology is ridiculous, this response to it smacks of; "Then why buy things from companies if you hate capitalism? Checkmate socialist".

[North German Realm]

Dont ever call the Police whenever something bad happens to you then. Or any members of your family.

Tbh, even though the ideology is ridiculous, this response to it smacks of; "Then why buy things from companies if you hate capitalism? Checkmate socialist".

Not even at all though. The police are paid from tax money to enforce the law. If you refuse to pay your share of that money, you should have no right to the services that it funds (that includes other services like roads, the right to partake in social and political life, the right to be defended as a citizen of a country in and out of the country, etc. etc.). The argument of "why buy things" is meaningless because "capitalism" (an conceptual and non-material economic model) is no more responsible for their creation than socialism (or feudalism or whatever). Your tax money is responsible for the upkeep of law enforcement, etc. etc.

[Ifreann]

It's "Pay me what you owe me or we'll lock you up". No one put a gun to your head and forced you to owe taxes, you did that all on your own, knowing full well the consequences.

There's no excuse really, considering it's such a generous freemium model. Even if you don't upgrade your package by generating income, you still get full healthcare, law and order, suffrage, etc, on the free plan.

Really, if you decide to pay in you're mostly just getting cosmetic upgrades and a few little quality of life things.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Tbh, even though the ideology is ridiculous, this response to it smacks of; "Then why buy things from companies if you hate capitalism? Checkmate socialist".

Not even at all though. The police are paid from tax money to enforce the law. If you refuse to pay your share of that money, you should have no right to the services that it funds (that includes other services like roads, the right to partake in social and political life, the right to be defended as a citizen of a country in and out of the country, etc. etc.). The argument of "why buy things" is meaningless because "capitalism" (an conceptual and non-material economic model) is no more responsible for their creation than socialism (or feudalism or whatever). Your tax money is responsible for the upkeep of law enforcement, etc. etc.

Sums it up really.

[Salandriagado]

GVH doesn't think treason is real so.

But the fake eggs and fake food? And complete lack of morals?

Oh, I have a complete lack of morals, very happy to admit it. If only there was a country with very little taxation and a complete lack of morals.

There are several (assuming that by "complete lack of morals" you mean "complete lack of enforcement of morals"). They're all warzones. This is not a coincidence.

[Salandriagado]

Indeed.

Of course it is, the private hospital doesn't make you die by not paying it. You could always go with a competing provider, or pay the extremely high costs out of pocket. If you want to buy something, don't expect it to come cheaper than the going rate for it.

You can similarly stop paying taxes any time you like: either earn less, or emigrate.

[Salandriagado]

How is "pay us or face the consequences" evil if and only if the government is the one saying it?

Buy our product or don't get the benefits from buying our product is quite different from pay us money or get locked up.

The product being society, and the "getting locked up" is a punishment for using that product without paying for it (that is: for theft).

[Salandriagado]

Or this actually. Your life expectancy would be ridiculously short, even by feudal standards, on account of your sight.

I can afford the best possible healthcare, private security should I want it, life in exclusive areas, etc. Where's the danger coming from?

All of that is predicated on the currency being worth something. There's absolutely no reason why that would be the case given such an absurd shift, and absolutely no reason someone (say, said private security people) wouldn't just shoot you and take your stuff.

[Salandriagado]

Again you have no way of knowing that.

I know the balance of my bank accounts.

You mean you know how many of the government-backed trading coupons a government-regulated computer says you have. Absent the government, that would be worth jack shit for the two or three hours it would take for it to stop existing due to a lack of power.

[Vassenor]

Brexit Party MEPs vote against measures to counter Russian Propaganda

(X) Suspicion

[Dooom35796821595]

Brexit Party MEPs vote against measures to counter Russian Propaganda

(X) Suspicion

“The Brexit party, which abstains or opposes most European parliament votes”

Or par for the course.

[Vassenor]

Brexit Party MEPs vote against measures to counter Russian Propaganda

(X) Suspicion

“The Brexit party, which abstains or opposes most European parliament votes”

Or par for the course.

So why didn't they abstain from this when they're at the forefront of a movement heavily suspected to be being pushed by the Russians?

[Dooom35796821595]

“The Brexit party, which abstains or opposes most European parliament votes”

Or par for the course.

So why didn't they abstain from this when they're at the forefront of a movement heavily suspected to be being pushed by the Russians?

Similar aims? Against increased EU spending? Protest vote? Attention seeking?

The highlighted was what they claimed, but it could be any of them, all of them or more.

[Vassenor]

So why didn't they abstain from this when they're at the forefront of a movement heavily suspected to be being pushed by the Russians?

Similar aims? Against increased EU spending? Protest vote? Attention seeking?

The highlighted was what they claimed, but it could be any of them, all of them or more.

Because stooges always tell the truth when cornered.

[Dooom35796821595]

Similar aims? Against increased EU spending? Protest vote? Attention seeking?

The highlighted was what they claimed, but it could be any of them, all of them or more.

Because stooges always tell the truth when cornered.

Two things can be true at the same time.

Again, protest vote. It’s almost like they’re only in Europe because people don’t trust them in Westminster, but they’re the only ones who support Brexit...

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Cue a Dennis Potter like scene where Nigel Farage starts singing

"There may be roubles ahead..."

[Ostroeuropa]

If you redraw Europe as a "Quantum Europe" map (Draw the borders of Europe after the fall of rome for one year. then the borders for next year. then next. All the way up to present.) and then find where the borders are most consistent, long lasting, and thickest...

Northern Ireland is a part of Scotland.



Just saying.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Thats because of the Dal Riata who were irish tribes from Ulster who invaded Pictland.

From what i remember anyway.

[Ostroeuropa]

Thats because of the Dal Riata who were irish tribes from Ulster who invaded Pictland.

From what i remember anyway.

Ya, I think so.

[TJUN-ia]

If you redraw Europe as a "Quantum Europe" map (Draw the borders of Europe after the fall of rome for one year. then the borders for next year. then next. All the way up to present.) and then find where the borders are most consistent, long lasting, and thickest...

Northern Ireland is a part of Scotland.

(Image)

Just saying.

I like this, however I disagree with calling Corsica "Genoa".

Just saying.

[The Blaatschapen]

If you redraw Europe as a "Quantum Europe" map (Draw the borders of Europe after the fall of rome for one year. then the borders for next year. then next. All the way up to present.) and then find where the borders are most consistent, long lasting, and thickest...

Northern Ireland is a part of Scotland.

(Image)

Just saying.

This map also makes Northern Ireland the least of any of our problems

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If you redraw Europe as a "Quantum Europe" map (Draw the borders of Europe after the fall of rome for one year. then the borders for next year. then next. All the way up to present.) and then find where the borders are most consistent, long lasting, and thickest...

Northern Ireland is a part of Scotland.

(Image)

Just saying.

This map also makes Northern Ireland the least of any of our problems :)

Muh Alsace-Lorraine

[The Huskar Social Union]

If you redraw Europe as a "Quantum Europe" map (Draw the borders of Europe after the fall of rome for one year. then the borders for next year. then next. All the way up to present.) and then find where the borders are most consistent, long lasting, and thickest...

Northern Ireland is a part of Scotland.

(Image)

Just saying.

This map also makes Northern Ireland the least of any of our problems

Yeah you have to worry bout france coming for dat dutch booty