UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[The New California Republic]

Like... the NHS that you keep whining is extorting you like a Guy Ritchie film?

NHS junior doctors have to go around breaking kneecaps to drum up business.

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

NHS junior doctors have to go around breaking kneecaps to drum up business.

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

The NHS isn't the thing that extorts people. It's the government that does that, in order to give the money to the NHS. Shockingly enough, private hospitals don't make you pay money if you don't use them.

[The New California Republic]

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

The NHS isn't the thing that extorts people. It's the government that does that, in order to give the money to the NHS. Shockingly enough, private hospitals don't make you pay money if you don't use them.

Tbh after some of the things you have said in this thread and the previous UK politics threads, I wouldn't trust you if you said water was wet, let alone a hyperbolic claim about government extortion.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

The NHS isn't the thing that extorts people. It's the government that does that, in order to give the money to the NHS. Shockingly enough, private hospitals don't make you pay money if you don't use them.

How is "pay us or face the consequences" evil if and only if the government is the one saying it?

[Nimzonia]

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

The NHS isn't the thing that extorts people. It's the government that does that, in order to give the money to the NHS. Shockingly enough, private hospitals don't make you pay money if you don't use them.

It's only extortion if it's against your will, so the great thing about the whole arrangement is that the only people who are extorted are also the exact same people I am quite happy for the government to extort.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

The NHS isn't the thing that extorts people. It's the government that does that, in order to give the money to the NHS. Shockingly enough, private hospitals don't make you pay money if you don't use them.

It's only extortion if it's against your will, so the great thing about the whole arrangement is that the only people who are extorted are also the exact same people I am quite happy for the government to extort.

But it might *gasp* make rich people slightly less rich! And for what, to keep poor people alive and provide security for the nation? Bah! Preposterous, I tell you!

[Fartsniffage]

NHS junior doctors have to go around breaking kneecaps to drum up business.

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

Junior doctors don't have the time to moonlight. It's work or sleep.

[Gormwood]

It's only extortion if it's against your will, so the great thing about the whole arrangement is that the only people who are extorted are also the exact same people I am quite happy for the government to extort.

But it might *gasp* make rich people slightly less rich! And for what, to keep poor people alive and provide security for the nation? Bah! Preposterous, I tell you!

They should bring back workhouses!

[Fartsniffage]

But it might *gasp* make rich people slightly less rich! And for what, to keep poor people alive and provide security for the nation? Bah! Preposterous, I tell you!

They should bring back workhouses!

My local hospital is actually an old workhouse. Should be easy to convert it back.

[The New California Republic]

University students moonlighting as sex workers is reasonably common, so junior doctors moonlighting as bailiffs isn't too much of a stretch.

Junior doctors don't have the time to moonlight. It's work or sleep.

Oh absolutely.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The NHS isn't the thing that extorts people. It's the government that does that, in order to give the money to the NHS. Shockingly enough, private hospitals don't make you pay money if you don't use them.

How is "pay us or face the consequences" evil if and only if the government is the one saying it?

Buy our product or don't get the benefits from buying our product is quite different from pay us money or get locked up.

[Nimzonia]

How is "pay us or face the consequences" evil if and only if the government is the one saying it?

Buy our product or don't get the benefits from buying our product is quite different from pay us money or get locked up.

You don't have to pay taxes if you earn below the threshold, so it is very much a choice. Civilisation is the product. If you don't want to buy it, you can always choose to live in a tent in the woods. There's a guy doing that near where I live.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Buy our product or don't get the benefits from buying our product is quite different from pay us money or get locked up.

You don't have to pay taxes if you earn below the threshold, so it is very much a choice. Civilisation is the product. If you don't want to buy it, you can always choose to live in a tent in the woods. There's a guy doing that near where I live.

Civilisation can work quite well without taxation, everything is simply privatised. Want police protection? Healthcare? Education? All for sale. Wouldn't that be great?

[Eastfield Lodge]

So you're fine with tenants refusing to pay rent on properties you own.

They bought a product, i.e. their lease, so no. I don't steal things, I'd like not to be stolen from.

And how do you plan on enforcing your claim to their money?

[The New California Republic]

You don't have to pay taxes if you earn below the threshold, so it is very much a choice. Civilisation is the product. If you don't want to buy it, you can always choose to live in a tent in the woods. There's a guy doing that near where I live.

Civilisation can work quite well without taxation, everything is simply privatised. Want police protection? Healthcare? Education? All for sale. Wouldn't that be great?

No.

And show me proof of where this has actually worked. Please. Show me.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

How is "pay us or face the consequences" evil if and only if the government is the one saying it?

Buy our product or don't get the benefits from buying our product is quite different from pay us money or get locked up.

"Pay us money or die" is the same statement no matter who's saying it.
If it helps you to visualize things, imagine that freedom has actual monetary value based on the cost of providing it. That cost must be paid for, or otherwise the government has no obligation to guarantee your freedom, since you'd be benefiting from a service you haven't paid for, which is something you're against.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Civilisation can work quite well without taxation, everything is simply privatised. Want police protection? Healthcare? Education? All for sale. Wouldn't that be great?

No.

And show me proof of where this has actually worked. Please. Show me.

It hasn't been tried yet. For some reason people have developed a strange wish to be mothered by the state.

[Nimzonia]

You don't have to pay taxes if you earn below the threshold, so it is very much a choice. Civilisation is the product. If you don't want to buy it, you can always choose to live in a tent in the woods. There's a guy doing that near where I live.

Civilisation can work quite well without taxation, everything is simply privatised. Want police protection? Healthcare? Education? All for sale. Wouldn't that be great?

That's not the product that's on offer.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Buy our product or don't get the benefits from buying our product is quite different from pay us money or get locked up.

"Pay us money or die" is the same statement no matter who's saying it.
If it helps you to visualize things, imagine that freedom has actual monetary value based on the cost of providing it. That cost must be paid for, or otherwise the government has no obligation to guarantee your freedom, since you'd be benefiting from a service you haven't paid for, which is something you're against.

Not guaranteeing something is different from taking it away. Act vs omission.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Civilisation can work quite well without taxation, everything is simply privatised. Want police protection? Healthcare? Education? All for sale. Wouldn't that be great?

That's not the product that's on offer.

So that's 'buy our product or we'll lock you up,' isn't it?

[Nimzonia]

That's not the product that's on offer.

So that's 'buy our product or we'll lock you up,' isn't it?

Nope. You don't have to buy the product. Just like the slums you let out, if the customer doesn't like the price, they can look elsewhere. Do you entertain tenants who have their own idea of what product you should be offering for what price?

[The New California Republic]

No.

And show me proof of where this has actually worked. Please. Show me.

It hasn't been tried yet.

There's probably a very good reason for that.

[Eastfield Lodge]

So you're fine with tenants refusing to pay rent on properties you own.

They bought a product, i.e. their lease, so no. I don't steal things, I'd like not to be stolen from.

And how do you plan on enforcing your claim to their money?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No.

And show me proof of where this has actually worked. Please. Show me.

It hasn't been tried yet. For some reason people have developed a strange wish to be mothered by the state.

It has been tried. After the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, everything was privatised. Which, shocker, led to people with money laying down the law.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

They bought a product, i.e. their lease, so no. I don't steal things, I'd like not to be stolen from.

And how do you plan on enforcing your claim to their money?

Through the courts at present, which by the way you pay to use.