UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Chan Island]

Dunno if this is the right thread, but has anyone heard about this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-49645627

Heard about it from word of mouth and was pretty shocked.

Some folks planned to bomb a cadet base with drones.

Wow. Glad he was caught before he could hurt anybody.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Dunno if this is the right thread, but has anyone heard about this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-49645627

Heard about it from word of mouth and was pretty shocked.

Some folks planned to bomb a cadet base with drones.

Wow. Glad he was caught before he could hurt anybody.

Yeah he got arrested last June but this is the first time word has got about.

They are being tried at the Old Bailey

[Celritannia]

Leaving the metaphor for a moment.

How will Brexit make anything better down the road?

I think if we angle things correctly we could set ourselves up as an international trading hub.

Not like we were already in the largest FREE international trading hub, where businesses wanted to trade with the UK for being part of the EU.

Now international businesses are leaving. Who'd have thought?

[Novus America]

Wow. Glad he was caught before he could hurt anybody.

Yeah he got arrested last June but this is the first time word has got about.

They are being tried at the Old Bailey

This is not the first time drones have been a problem.
The UK police need to invest in training officers in EW and equipping them with EW weapons.

EW is drone kryptonite.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I think if we angle things correctly we could set ourselves up as an international trading hub.

Not like we were already in the largest FREE international trading hub, where businesses wanted to trade with the UK for being part of the EU.

Now international businesses are leaving. Who'd have thought?

It's almost like being a trading hub requires free trade, and leaving the EU opens up the (near-certain) chance of free trade being restricted...

[Farnhamia]

Not like we were already in the largest FREE international trading hub, where businesses wanted to trade with the UK for being part of the EU.

Now international businesses are leaving. Who'd have thought?

It's almost like being a trading hub requires free trade, and leaving the EU opens up the (near-certain) chance of free trade being restricted...

Nah, that can't be right.

What is the penalty for lying to the Sovereign?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

It's almost like being a trading hub requires free trade, and leaving the EU opens up the (near-certain) chance of free trade being restricted...

Nah, that can't be right.

What is the penalty for lying to the Sovereign?

It's probably not immediate public execution, but it definitely should be.

[Shofercia]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

I mean, we've been saying the same things about Brexiters refusing to consider a second referendum. But the fact of the matter is that the proposed election is pretty transparently about passing the buck, so to speak, to whoever ends up being the PM.

[Shofercia]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

I mean, we've been saying the same things about Brexiters refusing to consider a second referendum. But the fact of the matter is that the proposed election is pretty transparently about passing the buck, so to speak, to whoever ends up being the PM.

Why not hold both elections at the same time? Because both sides are shouting "you're undemocratic" while playing favorites with elections - just hold 'em both at the same time. Problem solved.

[True Refuge]

I mean, we've been saying the same things about Brexiters refusing to consider a second referendum. But the fact of the matter is that the proposed election is pretty transparently about passing the buck, so to speak, to whoever ends up being the PM.

Why not hold both elections at the same time? Because both sides are shouting "you're undemocratic" while playing favorites with elections - just hold 'em both at the same time. Problem solved.

Labour has been demanding a general election for months but senior figures are concerned the prime minister could name an election date after the Brexit deadline, forcing the UK to crash out of the EU without a deal during the campaign.

Judging by this Independent article, Labour is currently voting against an election until Boris confirms that no-deal Brexit is not happening/delayed, since a recently passed act means Boris is obliged to ask for a Brexit extension.

It's essentially trying to force Boris to do what he's supposed to do. If they don't, then no-deal Brexit might go ahead right when Parliament and Boris' Cabinet are in chaos. Seems like a reasonable reason to obstruct an election, for now at least.

[Hirota]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

Thank you!

I've been calling out both sides for pretending they care about democracy, when in reality they only care about democracy when convenient. They've both cherry-picked the parts which are suitable for them, whilst ignoring the inconvenient parts.

Neither Remainers or Brexiteers in Westminster really care about democracy.

[Bear Stearns]

You don't understand that the UK proper is not the tax haven, it's the overseas territories of the UK. The UK itself not being a tax haven is the façade of plausible deniability draped over the whole thing.

https://www.accountancydaily.co/uk-over ... -risk-list

This is the loophole that was getting closed.

15% of all the money in the world is stashed in UK tax havens.

Ah, so that is what the are worried about. Bermuda and the Caymans, not the City.

I'm surprised that the US hasn't made its own unincorporated territories tax havens.

Special economic zones would be interesting to try as well in selected areas.

[Heloin]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

Since the Tories would probably lose the election it would give Boris Johnson the chance to pretended he could have solved Brexit while shoving the blame for no-deal and the aftermath thereof on Labour or the Lib-Dems.

And the Tories don't want to hold a 2nd referendum because that'd guarantee more votes lost to the Brexit party.

[True Refuge]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

Since the Tories would probably lose the election it would give Boris Johnson the chance to pretended he could have solved Brexit while shoving the blame for no-deal and the aftermath thereof on Labour or the Lib-Dems.

And the Tories don't want to hold a 2nd referendum because that'd guarantee more votes lost to the Brexit party.

And Labour probably also wants to stop Boris from pulling a sneaky and sneaking Brexit through by setting the election too late.

That's probably secondary to political concerns though.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Since the Tories would probably lose the election it would give Boris Johnson the chance to pretended he could have solved Brexit while shoving the blame for no-deal and the aftermath thereof on Labour or the Lib-Dems.

And the Tories don't want to hold a 2nd referendum because that'd guarantee more votes lost to the Brexit party.

And Labour probably also wants to stop Boris from pulling a sneaky and sneaking Brexit through by setting the election too late.

That's probably secondary to political concerns though.

How dare he sneak something we already agreed to do through.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why not hold both elections at the same time? Because both sides are shouting "you're undemocratic" while playing favorites with elections - just hold 'em both at the same time. Problem solved.

Labour has been demanding a general election for months but senior figures are concerned the prime minister could name an election date after the Brexit deadline, forcing the UK to crash out of the EU without a deal during the campaign.

Judging by this Independent article, Labour is currently voting against an election until Boris confirms that no-deal Brexit is not happening/delayed, since a recently passed act means Boris is obliged to ask for a Brexit extension.

It's essentially trying to force Boris to do what he's supposed to do. If they don't, then no-deal Brexit might go ahead right when Parliament and Boris' Cabinet are in chaos. Seems like a reasonable reason to obstruct an election, for now at least.

The right answer is a no deal Brexit when there isn't a government and parliament in place to do jack shit about it.

[Vassenor]

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

Since the Tories would probably lose the election it would give Boris Johnson the chance to pretended he could have solved Brexit while shoving the blame for no-deal and the aftermath thereof on Labour or the Lib-Dems.

And the Tories don't want to hold a 2nd referendum because that'd guarantee more votes lost to the Brexit party.

And as JRM admitted they know Remain would win now that a lot of the stuff they wrote off as scaremongering actually happened.

[Kowani]

And Labour probably also wants to stop Boris from pulling a sneaky and sneaking Brexit through by setting the election too late.

That's probably secondary to political concerns though.

How dare he sneak something we already agreed to do through.

In a non binding referendum.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

And Labour probably also wants to stop Boris from pulling a sneaky and sneaking Brexit through by setting the election too late.

That's probably secondary to political concerns though.

How dare he sneak something we already agreed to do through.

I don't remember no deal being on the ballot.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

How dare he sneak something we already agreed to do through.

I don't remember no deal being on the ballot.

No deal is the logical result if the government can't agree a deal with the EU that parliament can accept.

[Major-Tom]

I don't remember no deal being on the ballot.

No deal is the logical result if the government can't agree a deal with the EU that parliament can accept.

I'd err to the side of a deal being possible - it's just that the House of Commons as a whole hasn't been able to agree on what a tangible deal may look like.

If the UK could secure a deal that wavers them even the slightest amount of protection, they should go for it, but neither May's government nor Johnson's can muster up enough confidence to achieve that bare fucking minimum.

[Phoenicaea]

^this argument is not fitted for your uk debate, still peaceful that incapacity is also eu fault.

[Major-Tom]

^this argument is not fitted for your uk debate, still peaceful that incapacity is also eu fault.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I completely follow, how do you mean?

[Shofercia]

Why not hold both elections at the same time? Because both sides are shouting "you're undemocratic" while playing favorites with elections - just hold 'em both at the same time. Problem solved.

Labour has been demanding a general election for months but senior figures are concerned the prime minister could name an election date after the Brexit deadline, forcing the UK to crash out of the EU without a deal during the campaign.

Judging by this Independent article, Labour is currently voting against an election until Boris confirms that no-deal Brexit is not happening/delayed, since a recently passed act means Boris is obliged to ask for a Brexit extension.

It's essentially trying to force Boris to do what he's supposed to do. If they don't, then no-deal Brexit might go ahead right when Parliament and Boris' Cabinet are in chaos. Seems like a reasonable reason to obstruct an election, for now at least.

Why can't they have an election on October 15th, and have the new Parliament seated on October 21st? That way if the people vote for a Brexit without a deal, that can be carried out, and if the people vote to remain, then we have an extension. Are there some weird rules of Parliament that enable BoJo to change the election date, or for Parliament to avoid being seated the day after, if all of the major parties consent to it?

I'm a bit confused as to how the Remainers in Parliament are claiming to defend democracy, while at the same time voting against an election to decide the matter. Aren't elections supposed to be democratic?

Thank you!

I've been calling out both sides for pretending they care about democracy, when in reality they only care about democracy when convenient. They've both cherry-picked the parts which are suitable for them, whilst ignoring the inconvenient parts.

Neither Remainers or Brexiteers in Westminster really care about democracy.

That certainly seems to be the case. When Johnson thought he had the majority, he didn't bother taking up Corbyn's election gauntlet. Now that Corbyn thinks he has the majority, he's not bothering with Johnson's election gauntlet. Meanwhile the rest of the World is laughing at the UK.

Ah, so that is what the are worried about. Bermuda and the Caymans, not the City.

I'm surprised that the US hasn't made its own unincorporated territories tax havens.

Special economic zones would be interesting to try as well in selected areas.

Isn't USVI technically a tax haven? I know there are some taxes, but with an average income tax rate of 3.37%...

Since the Tories would probably lose the election it would give Boris Johnson the chance to pretended he could have solved Brexit while shoving the blame for no-deal and the aftermath thereof on Labour or the Lib-Dems.

And the Tories don't want to hold a 2nd referendum because that'd guarantee more votes lost to the Brexit party.

And Labour probably also wants to stop Boris from pulling a sneaky and sneaking Brexit through by setting the election too late.

That's probably secondary to political concerns though.

How does that work? I know that in the US, when we set dates for local elections, although it must be on a Tuesday, (other days are just unelectable,) once it's set the election date can't be changed. How would Boris change the election date?