UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Salandriagado]

You don't have to have loyalty to the country. You just have to realise that the country owns things that you want and need, and that paying taxes is the price of access to those things. Similarly, I don't feel any loyalty to Aldi or to my landlord, but I still give both of them far more money than I give the government.

I don't see why you should have to buy into the whole thing though. If I have children they won't be going to state schools so why should I have to fund them? If I am sick I won't be going to an nhs hospital, and if there is some emergency which means I don't have the choice I can afford it...so why should I have to fund the nhs?

Because that's how the country has decided to charge for those services. Similarly, I can't just decide to only rent my flat on Tuesdays and Thursdays: it's all week, or nothing.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't see why you should have to buy into the whole thing though. If I have children they won't be going to state schools so why should I have to fund them? If I am sick I won't be going to an nhs hospital, and if there is some emergency which means I don't have the choice I can afford it...so why should I have to fund the nhs?

Because that's how the country has decided to charge for those services. Similarly, I can't just decide to only rent my flat on Tuesdays and Thursdays: it's all week, or nothing.

But if you wanted to you could pay the premium to rent a flat on certain days. It's called a short stay rental.

[Novus America]

Because that's how the country has decided to charge for those services. Similarly, I can't just decide to only rent my flat on Tuesdays and Thursdays: it's all week, or nothing.

But if you wanted to you could pay the premium to rent a flat on certain days. It's called a short stay rental.

Only if the owner allows it. Not all owners allow short stay rentals.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But if you wanted to you could pay the premium to rent a flat on certain days. It's called a short stay rental.

Only if the owner allows it. Not all owners allow short stay rentals.

Doesn't have to be the same flat.

[Hirota]

Erm, no. The poor have infinitely more to lose than the rich.

Of course they don't, they have less assets to lose than the rich.

Depends how you spin it. Someone living month by month can lose what is compartatively a tiny amount for someone rich, and they've lost everything.

Meanwhile, someone rich lose 6 or 7 figures, and that's a *lot* but is it something someone who is rich could not recover from?

[Novus America]

Only if the owner allows it. Not all owners allow short stay rentals.

Doesn't have to be the same flat.

So then you must find another flat. You cannot use the flat that does not want to sell.

Move to Nauru or something.

[Salandriagado]

Because that's how the country has decided to charge for those services. Similarly, I can't just decide to only rent my flat on Tuesdays and Thursdays: it's all week, or nothing.

But if you wanted to you could pay the premium to rent a flat on certain days. It's called a short stay rental.

Sure, because someone is willing to provide that service. Nobody is willing to provide the service that you want without it being in a package, so you can't get it without paying for the package.

[Salandriagado]

Only if the owner allows it. Not all owners allow short stay rentals.

Doesn't have to be the same flat.

And you don't have to stay in the same country.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Doesn't have to be the same flat.

And you don't have to stay in the same country.

That has always been the plan, however all countries charge for services I never plan to use. A fairer solution would be to allow for an opt-out of things that you don't want to use, with the catch that if you don't pay for it you can't use them.

[Novus America]

Doesn't have to be the same flat.

And you don't have to stay in the same country.

Yup, if you want to live in the UK, you have to abide by the non stock member owned corporation that controls the UK (okay well with the UK it gets weird because the monarch and all that but functionally it works like a Republic for the most part).

It is really no different than say an HOA or Credit Union.
If you do not pay your dues, you do not get any benefits.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So many Conservatives in this debate standing up and saying it is inconceivable that the PM would not obey the law. Yet the PM keeps saying that he won't.

[Novus America]

And you don't have to stay in the same country.

That has always been the plan, however all countries charge for services I never plan to use. A fairer solution would be to allow for an opt-out of things that you don't want to use, with the catch that if you don't pay for it you can't use them.

Why is mandatory wholesale not allowed? The owner can sell under any conditions and any price it wants. It does not want to use your business model, why should it be forced to? Are you saying only certain business models are allowed?

And it is being a member of a non stock corporation. Not all sell membership a la carte. Few do.
You either are a member, or are not a member in most cases.

If nobody sells what you want to buy tough shit.

[Hirota]

Following the ONS report that growth was effectively flat in three months to July, National Institute of Economic and Social Research now does not expect recession.
I mean economics is sometimes like reading tea leaves, but these are the most experience tea leaf readers in the UK.

I believe in order to be considered a recession, there have to be back-to-back quarters of negative growth.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

That has always been the plan, however all countries charge for services I never plan to use. A fairer solution would be to allow for an opt-out of things that you don't want to use, with the catch that if you don't pay for it you can't use them.

Why is mandatory wholesale not allowed? The owner can sell under any conditions and any price it wants. It does not want to use your business model, why should it be forced to? Are you saying only certain business models are allowed?

And it is being a member of a non stock corporation. Not all sell membership a la carte. Few do.
You either are a member, or are not a member in most cases.

If nobody sells what you want to buy tough shit.

No, I've never supported mandatory wholesale. For example, if you want to rent a house, then you should be able to select from a list of furnature that is available if you'd like it included. If you've already got a sofa then you don't need to rent the owners sofa, do you?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why is mandatory wholesale not allowed? The owner can sell under any conditions and any price it wants. It does not want to use your business model, why should it be forced to? Are you saying only certain business models are allowed?

And it is being a member of a non stock corporation. Not all sell membership a la carte. Few do.
You either are a member, or are not a member in most cases.

If nobody sells what you want to buy tough shit.

No, I've never supported mandatory wholesale. For example, if you want to rent a house, then you should be able to select from a list of furnature that is available if you'd like it included. If you've already got a sofa then you don't need to rent the owners sofa, do you?

What if I don't want to rent you my goddamn furniture?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No, I've never supported mandatory wholesale. For example, if you want to rent a house, then you should be able to select from a list of furnature that is available if you'd like it included. If you've already got a sofa then you don't need to rent the owners sofa, do you?

What if I don't want to rent you my goddamn furniture?

Then you advertise it as unfurnished don't you?

[Fartsniffage]

You don't have to have loyalty to the country. You just have to realise that the country owns things that you want and need, and that paying taxes is the price of access to those things. Similarly, I don't feel any loyalty to Aldi or to my landlord, but I still give both of them far more money than I give the government.

I don't see why you should have to buy into the whole thing though. If I have children they won't be going to state schools so why should I have to fund them? If I am sick I won't be going to an nhs hospital, and if there is some emergency which means I don't have the choice I can afford it...so why should I have to fund the nhs?

Because the NHS pays for the training of the doctors and nurses you'll be using in your private hospital. Training a doctor ain't cheap and there are no private services in the UK doing it as far as I know.

[Novus America]

Why is mandatory wholesale not allowed? The owner can sell under any conditions and any price it wants. It does not want to use your business model, why should it be forced to? Are you saying only certain business models are allowed?

And it is being a member of a non stock corporation. Not all sell membership a la carte. Few do.
You either are a member, or are not a member in most cases.

If nobody sells what you want to buy tough shit.

No, I've never supported mandatory wholesale. For example, if you want to rent a house, then you should be able to select from a list of furnature that is available if you'd like it included. If you've already got a sofa then you don't need to rent the owners sofa, do you?

No, that is silly. It would make renting it out too damn complicated.
Or what if you rented just the bathroom? Nobody else would want to rent the rest of the flat with a weird dude camping in the bathroom. So they will not rent just the bathroom. You get the whole flat usually. Even a room you might not use.

Why should they be required to use a unduly burdensome business model that would lose them money? Why should they not be able to rent out on the terms and conditions they find appropriate and that are in the contract?

You as the consumer do not have rights to unilaterally dictate contract terms.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I don't see why you should have to buy into the whole thing though. If I have children they won't be going to state schools so why should I have to fund them? If I am sick I won't be going to an nhs hospital, and if there is some emergency which means I don't have the choice I can afford it...so why should I have to fund the nhs?

Because the NHS pays for the training of the doctors and nurses you'll be using in your private hospital. Training a doctor ain't cheap and there are no private services in the UK doing it as far as I know.

>private services
I am imagining some American-style degree mill handing out medical certificates... *shudder*

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No, I've never supported mandatory wholesale. For example, if you want to rent a house, then you should be able to select from a list of furnature that is available if you'd like it included. If you've already got a sofa then you don't need to rent the owners sofa, do you?

No, that is silly. It would make renting it out too damn complicated.
Or what if you rented just the bathroom? Nobody else should want to rent the rest of the flat with a weird dude camping in the bathroom.

Why should they be required to use a unduly burdensome business model that would lose them money? Why should they not be able to rent out on the terms and conditions they find appropriate and that are in the contract?

You as the consumer do not have rights to unilaterally dictate contract terms.

The model where you select your furnature is what my families company uses. It allows them to have a stock of furnature which they keep around, allows tenants to select varying styles should they want to change it etc. There's a fee for moving it but it's cheaper than buying a sofa if the landlord or previous tenant has left a shitty one in the house/flat, which is the choice most landlords give you. It's a very sensible approach for both landlord and tenant.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because the NHS pays for the training of the doctors and nurses you'll be using in your private hospital. Training a doctor ain't cheap and there are no private services in the UK doing it as far as I know.

>private services
I am imagining some American-style degree mill handing out medical certificates... *shudder*

Private universities are a thing, but they're not a big thing in the UK. I don't see why they couldn't be though, might lead to more innovation from the medical profession.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>private services
I am imagining some American-style degree mill handing out medical certificates... *shudder*

Private universities are a thing, but they're not a big thing in the UK. I don't see why they couldn't be though, might lead to more innovation from the medical profession.

Would you want the guy peddling "Miracle Mineral Supplement" having a medical certificate he could buy with his ill-begotten wealth?

[Novus America]

Because the NHS pays for the training of the doctors and nurses you'll be using in your private hospital. Training a doctor ain't cheap and there are no private services in the UK doing it as far as I know.

>private services
I am imagining some American-style degree mill handing out medical certificates... *shudder*

An American degree mill will not actually get you any real license.
Only legitimately accredited degrees work for a medical license.

The UK has no private medical schools at all?

But regardless GVH is still wrong. UK citizenship is not offered on a la carte basis.

[Fartsniffage]

>private services
I am imagining some American-style degree mill handing out medical certificates... *shudder*

Private universities are a thing, but they're not a big thing in the UK. I don't see why they couldn't be though, might lead to more innovation from the medical profession.

You do realise that the 5 year degree is just the start of being a doctor? They then do 2 foundation years training in the NHS before moving on to even more training, 3 year to be a GP, up to 7 to become a specialist in a hospital. All of this is paid for by the NHS while also providing them with salaries.

The total cost of training a GP is about half a million pounds.

[Nimzonia]

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

And also, the rich have a lot more to lose financially than the poor.

Sure, the rich are really suffering. Go to a food bank, and it's wall to wall hedge fund managers and CEOs.