UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Zhivotnoye]

They voted to leave, not remain.

No, the problem with the political class is clear.

As I mentioned previously, the best compromise would have been to leave with an acceptable deal in place, but clearly that wasn’t what the political class of the UK/EU wanted. And we can’t tell who caused the problem since the negotiations were done behind closed doors (very accountable and transparent) other then assume it was both parties who were responsible.

Really? I remember a set of graphs a number of pages back, showing those who voted to leave were more or less from low income families, older, and had less education.

What deal?
There is no possible reason as to why we need a deal after to utter shite that we have been through.

Remaining in the EU is the only deal we need right now.

Actually, the EU has posted all the negotiations on their website.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should.

[Celritannia]

Really? I remember a set of graphs a number of pages back, showing those who voted to leave were more or less from low income families, older, and had less education.

What deal?
There is no possible reason as to why we need a deal after to utter shite that we have been through.

Remaining in the EU is the only deal we need right now.

Actually, the EU has posted all the negotiations on their website.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should. Staying in just because you're butthurt, that would get you through some shite.

So what benefit is there to leaving?

[Zhivotnoye]

Is this still going on? Just get them out already, deal or no deal.



It does though, and already is to some extend.

It's kind of tricky to say, it isn't Federalised, and it isn't truly Confederalised either.

It is heading in that direction though. The more laws the EU imposes on its members, the less sovereignty they have themsleves. At some point, the sovereignty will end, and that's the end of it right then and there. Sadly there are quite a lot of politicains who's wet dream this would be.

[Zhivotnoye]

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should. Staying in just because you're butthurt, that would get you through some shite.

So what benefit is there to leaving?

Irrelevant.

[Dooom35796821595]

They voted to leave, not remain.

No, the problem with the political class is clear.

As I mentioned previously, the best compromise would have been to leave with an acceptable deal in place, but clearly that wasn’t what the political class of the UK/EU wanted. And we can’t tell who caused the problem since the negotiations were done behind closed doors (very accountable and transparent) other then assume it was both parties who were responsible.

Really? I remember a set of graphs a number of pages back, showing those who voted to leave were more or less from low income families, older, and had less education.

What deal?
There is no possible reason as to why we need a deal after to utter shite that we have been through.

Remaining in the EU is the only deal we need right now.

Actually, the EU has posted all the negotiations on their website.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

Funny, I seem to be under the impression that we have a secret ballot in the UK, meaning you don’t actually know what people voted for. But hey, let’s extrapolate to the extreme and make assumptions why not.

So, from what you’ve been saying people who are poor, old or not university educated should have less of a say then the rich and educated?

Yeah, great philosophy. If the people choose an option you don’t like, cause enough uncertainty and damage to get them to change their minds.

Like anyone’s going to read that. Well, maybe some of those rich educated people whose opinion you think holds so much more value then the rest of society, isn’t aristocracy great?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Considering what Putinland is up to in Europe and in Russia itself I would take anything somebody with a Russian flag + bear avi says with all the salt of all the oceans of the world. <.>

[Celritannia]

It's kind of tricky to say, it isn't Federalised, and it isn't truly Confederalised either.

It is heading in that direction though. The more laws the EU imposes on its members, the less sovereignty they have themsleves. At some point, the sovereignty will end, and that's the end of it right then and there. Sadly there are quite a lot of politicains who's wet dream this would be.

The EU Parliament, elected by each member state, votes on those laws.
The UK MEPs voted 95% of the time for EU Parliamentary legislation.

The Council of Europe is practically the joint head of the EU with each elected Head of State/Government discussing the needs for the EU.

The Council for the European Union is made up of the elected/appointed EU Member state's minister of a specific department/ministry.

So sovereignty will not be taken over by the EU without each of these institutions allowing it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Really? I remember a set of graphs a number of pages back, showing those who voted to leave were more or less from low income families, older, and had less education.

What deal?
There is no possible reason as to why we need a deal after to utter shite that we have been through.

Remaining in the EU is the only deal we need right now.

Actually, the EU has posted all the negotiations on their website.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should.

A non-binding advisory referendum.

[Alvecia]

Really? I remember a set of graphs a number of pages back, showing those who voted to leave were more or less from low income families, older, and had less education.

What deal?
There is no possible reason as to why we need a deal after to utter shite that we have been through.

Remaining in the EU is the only deal we need right now.

Actually, the EU has posted all the negotiations on their website.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should.

You walk into a bar. The bartender asks if you want a drink. You say yes. He hands you a glass of piss.
You would still drink it I assume?

[New haven america]

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should.

A non-binding advisory referendum.

They could just have another vote to see if people still want to leave.

Oh wait, sorry, "The EU just has people vote and vote again until it gets its way!!11!!!", my bad.

[Ostroeuropa]

A non-binding advisory referendum.

They could just have another vote to see if people still want to leave.

Oh wait, sorry, "The EU just has people vote and vote again until it gets its way!!11!!!", my bad.

So make it a binding one, problem solved.

[Celritannia]

Really? I remember a set of graphs a number of pages back, showing those who voted to leave were more or less from low income families, older, and had less education.

What deal?
There is no possible reason as to why we need a deal after to utter shite that we have been through.

Remaining in the EU is the only deal we need right now.

Actually, the EU has posted all the negotiations on their website.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

Funny, I seem to be under the impression that we have a secret ballot in the UK, meaning you don’t actually know what people voted for. But hey, let’s extrapolate to the extreme and make assumptions why not.

So, from what you’ve been saying people who are poor, old or not university educated should have less of a say then the rich and educated?

Yeah, great philosophy. If the people choose an option you don’t like, cause enough uncertainty and damage to get them to change their minds.

Like anyone’s going to read that. Well, maybe some of those rich educated people whose opinion you think holds so much more value then the rest of society, isn’t aristocracy great?

You base it on areas and type of people.

That's not what I said at all, is it? But the most googled thing after the Brexit vote was "what is the EU". There was misleading and lies as to what the EU was or does.
But people now have changed their minds about leaving.
If I went to a hospital for an operation, would I trust the surgeon and his team, or someone who said they read something online about surgery?

It's not about a differing opinion, this is about the damage it will cause, and it has caused a considerable amount of damage already.

Perhaps next time, don't lie. The EU was always upfront with each discussion and mentioned all the possible ways, including being like Norway, Switzerland, Ukraine, yet all head deal-breakers for the Tory Negotiating team, mainly free movement and Irish border.

You do realise it is the rich that want to leave the EU don't you?

Moggs and Jonson are actual decedents of Aristocracy. Scientists and other educated individuals got their experience form studying and merit. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Celritannia]

They could just have another vote to see if people still want to leave.

Oh wait, sorry, "The EU just has people vote and vote again until it gets its way!!11!!!", my bad.

So make it a binding one, problem solved.

With a victor needing to achieve at least 60% of the popular vote.

[Zhivotnoye]

Considering what Putinland is up to in Europe and in Russia itself I would take anything somebody with a Russian flag + bear avi says with all the salt of all the oceans of the world. <.>

Oeh, are we playing 'how low can you go?' I must say, you're good at it.

It is heading in that direction though. The more laws the EU imposes on its members, the less sovereignty they have themsleves. At some point, the sovereignty will end, and that's the end of it right then and there. Sadly there are quite a lot of politicains who's wet dream this would be.

The EU Parliament, elected by each member state, votes on those laws.
The UK MEPs voted 95% of the time for EU Parliamentary legislation.

The Council of Europe is practically the joint head of the EU with each elected Head of State/Government discussing the needs for the EU.

The Council for the European Union is made up of the elected/appointed EU Member state's minister of a specific department/ministry.

So sovereignty will not be taken over by the EU without each of these institutions allowing it.

Not sure what your point is.

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should.

A non-binding advisory referendum.

Which was respected and acted upon.

How about no?

The people voted to leave, and thus leave you should.

You walk into a bar. The bartender asks if you want a drink. You say yes. He hands you a glass of piss.
You would still drink it I assume?

Bad example, try again.

[Alvecia]

You walk into a bar. The bartender asks if you want a drink. You say yes. He hands you a glass of piss.
You would still drink it I assume?

Bad example, try again.

Nuh-uh

[Celritannia]

So what benefit is there to leaving?

Irrelevant.

It is practically everything.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Irrelevant.

It is practically everything.

It is totally irrelevant, though somebody who thinks that EU members negotiate their own trade deals and quotes the person he's arguing against in an article he wrote that disagrees with his point is likely to be impossible to convince of fact.

[Celritannia]

Considering what Putinland is up to in Europe and in Russia itself I would take anything somebody with a Russian flag + bear avi says with all the salt of all the oceans of the world. <.>

Oeh, are we playing 'how low can you go?' I must say, you're good at it.

The EU Parliament, elected by each member state, votes on those laws.
The UK MEPs voted 95% of the time for EU Parliamentary legislation.

The Council of Europe is practically the joint head of the EU with each elected Head of State/Government discussing the needs for the EU.

The Council for the European Union is made up of the elected/appointed EU Member state's minister of a specific department/ministry.

So sovereignty will not be taken over by the EU without each of these institutions allowing it.

Not sure what your point is.

The point is, the EU cannot take control of a Sovereign nation without the acceptance of each Sovereign nation.

[Celritannia]

It is practically everything.

It is totally irrelevant, though somebody who thinks that EU members negotiate their own trade deals and quotes the person he's arguing against in an article he wrote that disagrees with his point is likely to be impossible to convince of fact.

Did someone who is rich and has a family offshore bank account use that card?

Do you really want me to list all the things we have lost during Brexit?
It's almost as if international businesses who are leaving preferred us in the EU to be part of the largest free international market.

What facts are there to leave the EU? List them.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It is totally irrelevant, though somebody who thinks that EU members negotiate their own trade deals and quotes the person he's arguing against in an article he wrote that disagrees with his point is likely to be impossible to convince of fact.

Did someone who is rich and has a family offshore bank account use that card?

Do you really want me to list all the things we have lost during Brexit?

What facts are there to leave the EU? List them.

Go for it. It's still irrelevant though, because it was what was voted for.

[Celritannia]

Did someone who is rich and has a family offshore bank account use that card?

Do you really want me to list all the things we have lost during Brexit?

What facts are there to leave the EU? List them.

Go for it. It's still irrelevant though, because it was what was voted for.

It is everything.
Loss of subsidies, increased taxes for new trade deals, loss of businesses, drop to the economy, increased problems at the Irish Border to name a few things.
No one voted for those things, did they?

Oh, loss to 60% import of foods and medicines until new trade deals are established too.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Go for it. It's still irrelevant though, because it was what was voted for.

It is everything.
Loss of subsidies, increased taxes for new trade deals, loss of businesses, drop to the economy, increased problems at the Irish Border to name a few things.
No one voted for those things, did they?

Oh, loss to 60% import of foods and medicines until new trade deals are established too.

You mean the sorts of things we all got to hear about during the referendum, from the remain campaign? We knew about it. We voted for it anyway. We gave our informed consent to any downsides of Brexit. It is irrelevant.

[Celritannia]

It is everything.
Loss of subsidies, increased taxes for new trade deals, loss of businesses, drop to the economy, increased problems at the Irish Border to name a few things.
No one voted for those things, did they?

Oh, loss to 60% import of foods and medicines until new trade deals are established too.

You mean the sorts of things we all got to hear about during the referendum, from the remain campaign? We knew about it. We voted for it anyway. We gave our informed consent to any downsides of Brexit. It is irrelevant.

Predictions are not lies.

Ha! That's a lie. Provide evidence people wanted to leave with No Deal.
What did the Leave campaign promise again?

[Duhon]

You mean the sorts of things we all got to hear about during the referendum, from the remain campaign? We knew about it. We voted for it anyway. We gave our informed consent to any downsides of Brexit. It is irrelevant.

Predictions are not lies.

Ha! That's a lie. Provide evidence people wanted to leave with No Deal.
What did the Leave campaign promise again?

sunlit uplands, extra £350 million a week for the NHS, blah blah blah
point is, people were lied to and now they apparently can't take it back because reasons

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

So what benefit is there to leaving?

Irrelevant.

Entirely relevant, because if there’s little to no benefit in leaving then why leave at all?