UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Souseiseki]

when did "the other side" so something so bullshit as that?

When they started refusing to accept the will expressed in a democratic referendum.

wanting to have another vote is not comparable to having a vote then having the no votes mysteriously disappear. the equivalent would be if when article 50 was going through parliament we just said "wow the teller for pro article 50 didn't show up guess that's a 114-0 in favour of not invoking article 50 sorry lads". or, in terms of the referendum, if we separated the yes and no votes into separate vans then told the driver of the no vans to go drive to a pub in wales or some shit.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think what that really means is your unhappy now the government is compitent around procedure they have done it better and you are mad.

i do not consider this a real answer to my question.

it is very disconcerting that you are putting blatant abuse of procedure to screw with democracy as being something down to party lines.

I think the moral high ground about democracy was long ago levelled. Noody can seriously use that as an excuse anymore.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

When they started refusing to accept the will expressed in a democratic referendum.

wanting to have another vote is not comparable to having a vote then having the no votes mysteriously disappear. the equivalent would be if when article 50 was going through parliament we just said "wow the teller for pro article 50 didn't show up guess that's a 114-0 in favour of not invoking article 50 sorry lads". or, in terms of the referendum, if we separated the yes and no votes into separate vans then told the driver of the no vans to go drive to a pub in wales or some shit.

It's still a case of playing dirty. Wasn't labour also supposed to be whipping against this amendment? Couldn't they have provided tellers?

[Souseiseki]

i do not consider this a real answer to my question.

it is very disconcerting that you are putting blatant abuse of procedure to screw with democracy as being something down to party lines.

I think the moral high ground about democracy was long ago levelled. Noody can seriously use that as an excuse anymore.

you're not giving me a real answer. if remain really did do something as egregious as this then it should not be hard for you to pull it up.

so you're saying you don't give a shit about democracy anymore are willing to blatantly cheat to get what you want? great.

[Ifreann]

Pass laws without understanding what they are. Extremely smart.

Or reject anything that any party tries to do, forcing election after election.

So your plan is stupid anarchy, where the government never does anything but for some reason you keep it around.

[Souseiseki]

it's not even a fucking moral high ground based on some esoteric idea of democracy it's literally "don't cheat" holy shit

[Souseiseki]

wanting to have another vote is not comparable to having a vote then having the no votes mysteriously disappear. the equivalent would be if when article 50 was going through parliament we just said "wow the teller for pro article 50 didn't show up guess that's a 114-0 in favour of not invoking article 50 sorry lads". or, in terms of the referendum, if we separated the yes and no votes into separate vans then told the driver of the no vans to go drive to a pub in wales or some shit.

It's still a case of playing dirty. Wasn't labour also supposed to be whipping against this amendment? Couldn't they have provided tellers?

no it isn't. having a public referendum is not playing dirty.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

The UK, so I can organise Northumbrian independence (and then become prime minister or whatever of Northumbria)

You have a pathetic sad life.

Pretty interesting comment

[Old Tyrannia]

It's still a case of playing dirty. Wasn't labour also supposed to be whipping against this amendment? Couldn't they have provided tellers?

no it isn't. having a public referendum is not playing dirty.

Well, I would argue that it kind of is since it flies in the face of the way that our political system is supposed to function, but given that the whole Brexit saga began in the first place because David Cameron wanted a referendum to shut up the Eurosceptics in the Tory Party I'm not sure that's an argument that GVH and Nihil can really deploy.

[Shrillland]

The doomed division is now under way. And there's a lot of abstentions from what I'm looking at.

[Shrillland]

Ayes: 298
Nos: 56
Abstentions: 293

Johnson's proposal rejected.

[Souseiseki]

Ayes: 298
Nos: 56
Abstentions: 293

Johnson's proposal rejected.

What proposal?

he wanted an election but he needed 2/3 of all MPs to vote for it so he is rip

[Shrillland]

Ayes: 298
Nos: 56
Abstentions: 293

Johnson's proposal rejected.

What proposal?

For an early election. The October 15 election has been rejected by the House.

[The New California Republic]

Ayes: 298
Nos: 56
Abstentions: 293

Johnson's proposal rejected.

Fucking lol.

[Cerinda]

Yes, than fuck there won't be no election. My mental health is slightly better now that I won't have to stress of another 5 years of the tories.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Excellent. Boris trapped to stew in his own failure.

[Shrillland]

Yes, than fuck there won't be no election. My mental health is slightly better now that I won't have to stress of another 5 years of the tories.

Oh, there will be an election, just not in October. It'll be in November more likely once the Benn Bill's become law. Then Corbyn will finally launch a no confidence vote.

[Ostroeuropa]

it's not even a fucking moral high ground based on some esoteric idea of democracy it's literally "don't cheat" holy shit

The left really has nobody to blame on this tbh, they were the ones who criminalized incitement to violence and that was pretty much the only thing stopping the elites from just ignoring the public whenever they felt like it.

Historically these shenanigans would mean people in every town telling their friends they were going to go lynch the local lord.

Can't do that shit anymore.

And that, realistically, was the only reason they ever listened in the first place.

"What are you going to do about it?" is their response, and it's their response for a reason. There is nothing you can do now that you've taken mass violence off the table. Whine that they're being mean? They know they're being mean, they don't care. Morals mean nothing without violence to enforce them on dissenters, you're not some kind of bloody anarchist, you know this is the case.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Excellent. Boris trapped to stew in his own failure.

Does this mean fuck all gets passed now?

[Cerinda]

Yes, than fuck there won't be no election. My mental health is slightly better now that I won't have to stress of another 5 years of the tories.

Oh, there will be an election, just not in October. It'll be in November more likely once the Benn Bill's become law. Then Corbyn will finally launch a no confidence vote.

Well hopefully Corbyn will win, because honestly fuck Bojo and this government.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Oh, there will be an election, just not in October. It'll be in November more likely once the Benn Bill's become law. Then Corbyn will finally launch a no confidence vote.

Well hopefully Corbyn will win, because honestly fuck Bojo and this government.

If labour and friends hadn't acted so immaturely the government would be pretty successful.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh, there will be an election, just not in October. It'll be in November more likely once the Benn Bill's become law. Then Corbyn will finally launch a no confidence vote.

Well hopefully Corbyn will win, because honestly fuck Bojo and this government.

He may well do, the right leaning papers that aren't full blown populist have started saying Corbyn is better than Brexit.

[Liriena]

Ayes: 298
Nos: 56
Abstentions: 293

Johnson's proposal rejected.

So Johnson can't have his cake nor eat it.

That's gotta sting. Still, I wish there was an election. There's a real, legit chance that Labour might win it and we could finally get our
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[Greater vakolicci haven]

now the pound will go up which is all we fucking need.

[Liriena]

Well hopefully Corbyn will win, because honestly fuck Bojo and this government.

He may well do, the right leaning papers that aren't full blown populist have started saying Corbyn is better than Brexit.

The absolute boy just needs to pick up a bit of patriotic populism to beat the Tories with and he's got it.