UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Dresderstan]

holy shit i am so sick of living in a country where we still run shit based on informal agreements made 300 years because no one has the balls to change it or they're too attached to feeling good about their "traditions" to fix it get me off this nightmare

That should go for the legal code too my argument about treason showing the need for uk's legal term overhaul.

It's. Not. Fucking. Treason.

[Salandriagado]

329-299 in the third reading vote.

[Shrillland]

Ayes: 327
Nos: 299

The Benn Bill goes to 3rd reading.

[Chestaan]

It actually wouldn't surprise me if after all this is done and dusted that the EU amends Article 50, to add some clauses that takes the lessons of this on board, so the farce doesn't happen again.

It would be the sensible thing to do.

Which is entirely possible, if we have no British politicians around

Yeah because the.politicians on the continent are so sane, like Marine Le Penn, Wilders and the anti-refugee governments in Poland and Hungary

[Fartsniffage]

Not sure the Kinnock amendment was an accident by the government whips. Labour frontbench had made clear they were not going to support it. Government may have allowed it to pass by “forgetting” to put up tellers. Developing.

man it would be really cool if it turned out the government just blatantly fucking cheated lol

The amendment in the name of Stephen Kinnock didn’t have a vote as the Government didn’t provide tellers to count. This meant the amendment went through although the No Lobby was full. This wasn’t an accident you can be assured there’s some skullduggery going on

And the zombie deal is back on the table.

[Juristonia]

holy shit i am so sick of living in a country where we still run shit based on informal agreements made 300 years because no one has the balls to change it or they're too attached to feeling good about their "traditions" to fix it get me off this nightmare

You can always move. You won't be missed.

Apart from being a generally dickish response you should probably be above, I don't think "If ya don't lyk Murrca, you can giddout" is the type of argument you'd want to drag in to your own country.

[Nakena]

holy shit i am so sick of living in a country where we still run shit based on informal agreements made 300 years because no one has the balls to change it or they're too attached to feeling good about their "traditions" to fix it get me off this nightmare

At least theres no such thing as a constitution to which behind people hide all the time behind, eschewing any responsibilities, while crying and whining over "muh frees" and similar nonsense as the country goes crashes down into oblivion. Because this so is not happening due the existence or absence of tradition but merely caused by the people who are in charge.

Every system can be only as good as those people who fill it with life, adding elements such as a constitution would in such a situation merely lead to obscure the reality of chaotic governance and political infighting further which thus would thrive all the worse, than when being exposed to broad daylight as it has been in the UK over the past days.

[Philjia]

Not sure the Kinnock amendment was an accident by the government whips. Labour frontbench had made clear they were not going to support it. Government may have allowed it to pass by “forgetting” to put up tellers. Developing.

man it would be really cool if it turned out the government just blatantly fucking cheated lol

The amendment in the name of Stephen Kinnock didn’t have a vote as the Government didn’t provide tellers to count. This meant the amendment went through although the No Lobby was full. This wasn’t an accident you can be assured there’s some skullduggery going on

The practical upshot is that parliament will be voting on May's deal... again.

[Fartsniffage]

Reece Mogg, lounging around the commons like a sinister middle aged rent boy

Fucking brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vha59srSks

[The New California Republic]

Boris Johnson is calling on MPs to back his plan to hold an early general election on 15 October.

The PM has laid a motion in the Commons to secure the poll. To succeed, it needs the support of two-thirds of MPs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49584907

He is getting desperate.

[The Blaatschapen]

holy shit i am so sick of living in a country where we still run shit based on informal agreements made 300 years because no one has the balls to change it or they're too attached to feeling good about their "traditions" to fix it get me off this nightmare

You can always move. You won't be missed.

Not from the 1st of November they can't

Well, they still can, but they lost 27 choices.

[Chan Island]

Rarely are autocracies actually about one sole individual though. No man rules alone, after all. They may have politburos and parliaments, just not elected (or fairly elected) ones.

"Rule of one" is literally what autocracy means.

Autocracies in the real world, for the average lay man, and as used everywhere, can be more than one person.

so what does that Kinnock amendment that passed do?

It resurrects May's Deal.

[The Nihilistic view]

Not sure the Kinnock amendment was an accident by the government whips. Labour frontbench had made clear they were not going to support it. Government may have allowed it to pass by “forgetting” to put up tellers. Developing.

man it would be really cool if it turned out the government just blatantly fucking cheated lol

The amendment in the name of Stephen Kinnock didn’t have a vote as the Government didn’t provide tellers to count. This meant the amendment went through although the No Lobby was full. This wasn’t an accident you can be assured there’s some skullduggery going on

Given the ruthlessness of purpose so far my money is on it being intentional.

[The Blaatschapen]

It would be the sensible thing to do.

Which is entirely possible, if we have no British politicians around

Yeah because the.politicians on the continent are so sane, like Marine Le Penn, Wilders and the anti-refugee governments in Poland and Hungary

We can ignore the first two, they're not in charge. The other two, yeah, I know

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I wonder if May's deal could pass

[Souseiseki]

man it would be really cool if it turned out the government just blatantly fucking cheated lol

Given the ruthlessness of purpose so far my money is on it being intentional.

it's almost definitely intentional. the bastards just passed an amendment to fuck with the opposition through the sneaky loophole of "not bothering to count opposing votes" and they're going to get away with it.l

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I hope someone in conservative head office is making a quick call to Hungary to remind them of all the support they've given them in the EU.

[Gravlen]

The Father of the House is on fire today!

[Ifreann]

Given the ruthlessness of purpose so far my money is on it being intentional.

it's almost definitely intentional. the bastards just passed an amendment to fuck with the opposition through the sneaky loophole of "not bothering to count opposing votes" and they're going to get away with it.l

Strong, stable, criminal government.

[Old Tyrannia]

"Rule of one" is literally what autocracy means.

Autocracies in the real world, for the average lay man, and as used everywhere, can be more than one person.

Lay people use words incorrectly all the time. That doesn't erase the real meaning of a word, and in a setting like a political discussion forum I don't expect people to be sloppy when it comes to using political terminology with a particular meaning.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Autocracies in the real world, for the average lay man, and as used everywhere, can be more than one person.

Lay people use words incorrectly all the time. That doesn't erase the real meaning of a word, and in a setting like a political discussion forum I don't expect people to be sloppy when it comes to using political terminology with a particular meaning.

It's pretty common to call people fascists and communists without any idea of what the term means now on the internet.

[Old Tyrannia]

I wonder if May's deal could pass

I'm not holding out any hope, but at this stage it may be the best plausible outcome (from my point of view).

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I wonder if May's deal could pass

I'm not holding out any hope, but at this stage it may be the best plausible outcome (from my point of view).

I can't imagine the remainers going for anything but full remain.

[Menorica]

Who's gonna vote for Boris though? I thought everybody hated him.

Boris Johnson is confirmed the British version of USA's Donald Trump.

Donald Trump (USA) - Wants to Make America "Great Again"
Conservative
Boris Johnson (UK) - Wants Britain to exit from the European Union
Conservative

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Incorrect. Everybody hates Donald Trump, Not necessarily Boris Johnson. You've seen The Queen TROLLED Trump at the State Banquet last June, Making him look like he either didn't know how to dress properly or by shrinking his clothes and making fun of him without cracking a smile. Also for the second time this year, the British protested, Along with Americans, upon Donald Trump's entry on both common-English lands.

[Philjia]

Boris Johnson: "I don't want an election, the public don't want an election, but this House has left no other option"
Parliament: https://youtu.be/_EfW9znJYjw?t=133