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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:05 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Leaving without a deal will almost by definition not be "in an orderly fashion."

lol it'll be fun though won't it? Have you never felt an urge to press that button just to see what happens?


No, it won't be fucking fun. We know precisely what will happen, and most people don't feel an urge to kill large numbers of people "just to see what happens".
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Philjia wrote:The Lords are planning to filibuster the bill if it passes.

good news finally
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:05 am

Philjia wrote:The Lords are planning to filibuster the bill if it passes.


The actual unelected house trying to derail the elected one.

That said the Conservatives don't have a majority in the Lords either.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:06 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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For an average person, that's roughly a 200 calorie/day deficit. That's roughly an ounce of weight loss each day. That results in death after ~3 years.

Depends what you eat. I could easily make a 10 % saving in what I buy because I spend a lot of money on food.


Once again, you are entirely missing the point.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Has he dealt with his approval rating? It's still at 34 %


Eh, that's become the norm for French presidents. :unsure: Francois Holland and Nicolas Sarkozy have entered the chat.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:06 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Why not? There are lots of lovely places to go in the world, why don't you go to them? Britain is rubbish in the summer compared to some of them.


Money, time.

I thought you said you worked in the video games industry. Isn't there money in that?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:07 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Fuck no.



We passed that line fucking years ago.



Personally? No, not in five years or so.


Why not? There are lots of lovely places to go in the world, why don't you go to them? Britain is rubbish in the summer compared to some of them.

Legit unsure if you are just acting the bollocks or if you actually don't understand the concept of people not being able to afford foreign holidays.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:07 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Money, time.

I thought you said you worked in the video games industry. Isn't there money in that?


I have no idea where you got that idea. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:08 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I thought you said you worked in the video games industry. Isn't there money in that?


I have no idea where you got that idea. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:09 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I thought you said you worked in the video games industry. Isn't there money in that?


I have no idea where you got that idea. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

Did you use to do something in that field? I'm almost certain it was you. Somewhere around Stoke?
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:10 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The actual unelected house trying to derail the elected one.

That said the Conservatives don't have a majority in the Lords either.

Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?


Another example of all of the serious constitutional what the fuckery that is the British state, that I have been railing about for 10 years, being thrust into the spotlight and being found wanting.
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Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The actual unelected house trying to derail the elected one.

That said the Conservatives don't have a majority in the Lords either.

Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?

Parliament are trying to prevent the result of a direct democratic vote.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:11 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
I have no idea where you got that idea. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

Did you use to do something in that field? I'm almost certain it was you. Somewhere around Stoke?


Nope, never. Also never lived anywhere near Stoke.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Philjia » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:12 am

Parliament is now voting on the first of many possible amendments to the bill.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:13 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
I have no idea where you got that idea. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

From the subtle animation embedded in your flag. I've spent hours staring at it.


Not sure if saying the truth or just trying to get us all to stare at a flag for hours on end.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?

Parliament are trying to prevent the result of a direct democratic vote.


Because it was advisory, is not the majority wish of the country and the results look bloody catastrophic. Oh, and they were elected after said referendum anyway, so it's not like they are strictly bound by it.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:15 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Did you use to do something in that field? I'm almost certain it was you. Somewhere around Stoke?


Nope, never. Also never lived anywhere near Stoke.


You're right, I was thinking of someone else, not just completely off my rocker and imagining people. However, no idea how I got you and Olivaero confused.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:15 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?

Parliament are trying to prevent the result of a direct democratic vote.

When did the people of Britain vote for a no-deal brexit? I didn't see that in the news.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:16 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?

Parliament are trying to prevent the result of a direct democratic vote.

An advisory referendum.
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Heloin wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Parliament are trying to prevent the result of a direct democratic vote.

When did the people of Britain vote for a no-deal brexit? I didn't see that in the news.

It was Brexit. If the EU won't give us a decent deal, then it's no deal Brexit.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:16 am

Heloin wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Parliament are trying to prevent the result of a direct democratic vote.

When did the people of Britain vote for a no-deal brexit? I didn't see that in the news.

I think it was when you were taking a nap back in 2016.
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Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The actual unelected house trying to derail the elected one.

That said the Conservatives don't have a majority in the Lords either.

Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?

It's not either of those things. Autocracy is where political power is entirely concentrated in one individual, and the Lords aren't bound by any allegiance to "democracy" as a general concept; in fact their whole purpose is to serve as a check on the power of the democratically elected authorities.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:18 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Heloin wrote:When did the people of Britain vote for a no-deal brexit? I didn't see that in the news.

It was Brexit. If the EU won't give us a decent deal, then it's no deal Brexit.


Said nobody at all during the vote, and all the major figures backing leave repeatedly told everyone that there was no chance we would get a no deal scenario.

It was only when May started thumping about with offensive, hard-line rhetoric did the public opinion shift, and even then about 2/3rds of the British people oppose no deal.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:20 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Heloin wrote:When did the people of Britain vote for a no-deal brexit? I didn't see that in the news.

It was Brexit. If the EU won't give us a decent deal, then it's no deal Brexit.

And that will makes things better for the UK how?

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Heloin wrote:When did the people of Britain vote for a no-deal brexit? I didn't see that in the news.

I think it was when you were taking a nap back in 2016.

Maybe if I take another nap everything will magically sort itself out.

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Postby Chan Island » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:20 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is that autocracy? Treason to democracy?

It's not either of those things. Autocracy is where political power is entirely concentrated in one individual, and the Lords aren't bound by any allegiance to "democracy" as a general concept; in fact their whole purpose is to serve as a check on the power of the democratically elected authorities.


Rarely are autocracies actually about one sole individual though. No man rules alone, after all. They may have politburos and parliaments, just not elected (or fairly elected) ones.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Upper Pacifica » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:20 am

I'm surprised a second referendum is as high as it is. That will only create more division within the country. Britain should leave the EU with some sort of deal and maybe revisit this issue in 10-15 years.

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