UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So should Labour MPs help Johnson by voting for an election if he wants one? I'm struggling with the choice, I can't get the consequences of trapping Johnson in number 10 straight in my head.

I wish they would all vote to get rid of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. It doesn't work better than the system we had before.

I don't think it's a certainty that Johnston won't try to change the date of the election to after 31 October. Knowing ersatz Trump and his recent antics, that is absolutely something he would try to do.

Can't it be set in stone before the vote? Like in the act calling for an election itself?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I don't think it's a certainty that Johnston won't try to change the date of the election to after 31 October. Knowing ersatz Trump and his recent antics, that is absolutely something he would try to do.

Can't it be set in stone before the vote? Like in the act calling for an election itself?

That's what Labour will want before agreeing to vote for it.

[Turbofolkia]

I don't think it's a certainty that Johnston won't try to change the date of the election to after 31 October. Knowing ersatz Trump and his recent antics, that is absolutely something he would try to do.

Can't it be set in stone before the vote? Like in the act calling for an election itself?

I think the FTPA leaves it entirely to the PM to advise the Queen of the polling day.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Can't it be set in stone before the vote? Like in the act calling for an election itself?

That's what Labour will want before agreeing to vote for it.

If that's possible, I'd agree to do it if I was him.

[Vassenor]

Labour have already said they will only support an election -after- No Deal has been formally ruled out.

[The Nihilistic view]

So should Labour MPs help Johnson by voting for an election if he wants one? I'm struggling with the choice, I can't get the consequences of trapping Johnson in number 10 straight in my head.

I wish they would all vote to get rid of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. It doesn't work better than the system we had before.

Almost like the lib dems are a bit pants

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Labour have already said they will only support an election -after- No Deal has been formally ruled out.

That is not enough. They need to ensure the election happens before we crash out.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Labour have already said they will only support an election -after- No Deal has been formally ruled out.

That is not enough. They need to ensure the election happens before we crash out.

Why do you use such negative language to describe no deal?

[The Free Joy State]

Labour have already said they will only support an election -after- No Deal has been formally ruled out.

That is not enough. They need to ensure the election happens before we crash out.

I thought the opposition couldn't set the election to ensure a General Election happened before we crash-out (that it's the PM who sets the timetable), meaning that passing a law to prevent crashing out with no deal before assenting to an election was the best chance?

[Souseiseki]

dark visions of an election where the tories and the brexit party become buddies but the lib dems are too far up their own ass about about unionism and a suspiciously consistent sympathy for the tories over labour among certain wings of the party to ever countenance working with labour or the SNP and labour are too pissy over losing their own personal fiefdom of scotland to work with the SNP

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

That is not enough. They need to ensure the election happens before we crash out.

I thought the opposition couldn't set the election to ensure a General Election happened before we crash-out (that it's the PM who sets the timetable), meaning that passing a law to prevent crashing out with no deal before assenting to an election was the best chance?

What I mean is that Labour should ensure that the PM sets a timetable for an election that suits them before voting to allow that election. Also ensuring that there aren't any tricks that could be pulled in the mean time. The dangers are legislation preventing a no deal being circumvented by Boris Johnson. If the legislation is passed he could ask the EU for an extension, then propose an election which Labour could vote for, but then go to the EU and veto the extension he asked for himself. Leading to no deal Brexit and an election, screwing both Labour and the Brexit Party.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

That is not enough. They need to ensure the election happens before we crash out.

Why do you use such negative language to describe no deal?

Are you policing language now?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

That is not enough. They need to ensure the election happens before we crash out.

Why do you use such negative language to describe no deal?

Am I mistaken or is this GVH admitting that there are negative consequences to crashing out?

[Vassenor]

Why do you use such negative language to describe no deal?

Are you policing language now?

Some people find the idea that No Deal isn't the greatest thing ever to be deeply upsetting and we need to coddle them.

[Hirota]

Are you policing language now?

Some people find the idea that No Deal isn't the greatest thing ever to be deeply upsetting and we need to coddle them.

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why do you use such negative language to describe no deal?

Are you policing language now?

No, I just don't understand why it's always viewed so negatively.

[Vassenor]

We have a defection.

Former justice minister Phillip Lee, who quit the government in June last year over Theresa May's Brexit strategy, sits down in the Commons chamber next to Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson.

Government now has no majority.

[Ifreann]

Are you policing language now?

No, I just don't understand why it's always viewed so negatively.

I think you understand perfectly well that no one other than you thinks that the destruction of society is a positive.

[Vassenor]

Some people find the idea that No Deal isn't the greatest thing ever to be deeply upsetting and we need to coddle them.

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

So who has complained about the use of positive language to describe No Deal?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Some people find the idea that No Deal isn't the greatest thing ever to be deeply upsetting and we need to coddle them.

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

Don't you know though? If we have no deal then the pound will be worth less than the zim$ and we'll all be on rations.

[The Blaatschapen]

Some people find the idea that No Deal isn't the greatest thing ever to be deeply upsetting and we need to coddle them.

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

Please coddle Beelzebub gently.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

So who has complained about the use of positive language to describe No Deal?

When quoting a post, it helps to respond to it. Otherwise you build a strawman, and this field already has too many of those.

[Hirota]

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

So who has complained about the use of positive language to describe No Deal?

Answer my question first, instead of adopting your usual MO of saying nothing of value.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

And some people find the idea that No Deal isn't going to summon Beelzebub deeply unsettling and we need to coddle them. What's your point?

Don't you know though? If we have no deal then the pound will be worth less than the zim$ and we'll all be on rations.

Food shortages have been predicted.

[Vassenor]

Don't you know though? If we have no deal then the pound will be worth less than the zim$ and we'll all be on rations.

Food shortages have been predicted.

Those are clearly just fearmongering because there is no way that No Deal could ever be anything than the greatest thing in the history of ever.