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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:53 am

I am unsure what to think about this.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:53 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:They'll probably have to cross on lorries. We can't just let everybody in or we'll end up with a humanitarian crisis and the riches won't equate to much.

I'm sure there'll be so much drinking water and chocolate that you won't know what to do with it all.

Well assume the excess drinking water can go into golden fountains, pictures of which we can send to all the countries which don't have enough.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:55 am

So let me get this straight
Basically in October, the entire legislature is gonna be ended, leaving only the Prime Minister and friends?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:57 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So let me get this straight
Basically in October, the entire legislature is gonna be ended, leaving only the Prime Minister and friends?

No, the legislature is going to be closed next week, leaving no one until it re-opens on the 14th of October.
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Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:They'll probably have to cross on lorries. We can't just let everybody in or we'll end up with a humanitarian crisis and the riches won't equate to much.

I'm sure there'll be so much drinking water and chocolate that you won't know what to do with it all.

And pixies will accompany all these ruby-slippered travellers as they skip along the yellow-bricked road, beneath a glimmering rainbow, to London -- the emerald green buildings shining green in the sunlight, because that's the way we laugh and play in the merry old land of...

I'm sorry. I thought we wandered into Oz.

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Hurdergaryp wrote:Consider the Netherlands as well, the Dutch tend to speak English somewhat fluently. Same goes for the Scandinavian countries, by the way.

This is hardly time to leave the country.

If I recall correctly, the time to leave the country is after you got everything you wanted and it proves to be a total fucking disaster.

That is right, isn't it? :eyebrow:
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So let me get this straight
Basically in October, the entire legislature is gonna be ended, leaving only the Prime Minister and friends?

No, the legislature is going to be closed next week, leaving no one until it re-opens on the 14th of October.

Ok, I’m sorry I tried to read the BBC article myself but I just don’t get it. So what’s going to happen, just no government for a while?
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Postby Cerinda » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:59 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Queenie has approved BoJo's dastardly plan. Getting Palpatine vibes off BoJo now.


As always, she and her inbred minions will be fine whilst the rest of us get our arseholes annexed by the might of the Tory thundercock.

Okay, now this is a quote that belongs in a sig.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:02 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure there'll be so much drinking water and chocolate that you won't know what to do with it all.

And pixies will accompany all these ruby-slippered travellers as they skip along the yellow-bricked road, beneath a glimmering rainbow, to London -- the emerald green buildings shining green in the sunlight, because that's the way we laugh and play in the merry old land of...

I'm sorry. I thought we wandered into Oz.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:This is hardly time to leave the country.

If I recall correctly, the time to leave the country is after you got everything you wanted and it proves to be a total fucking disaster.

That is right, isn't it? :eyebrow:

Exactly. Going well so far.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:02 am

so yeah
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:03 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, the legislature is going to be closed next week, leaving no one until it re-opens on the 14th of October.

Ok, I’m sorry I tried to read the BBC article myself but I just don’t get it. So what’s going to happen, just no government for a while?

Pretty much. Parliament won't sit, so no votes on Brexit or on kicking Boris out or anything. Then they all come back on the 14th and the Queen gives a speech about what Boris told her he's going do during the new legislative session.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:04 am

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Greed and Death wrote:
The queen's army I imagine. Which is surprising because she is the one who will suspend parliament.


Although technically the Queen cannot have a standing Army unless it is approved by Parliament every at least once 5 years, otherwise it would legally cease to exist.
There is no Royal British Army as a result, unlike the other services it does not use Royal in its title. Legally it is under Parliamentary authority rather than Royal authority.

Although of course the suspension would not last 5 years.


That's not the reason for the naming difference. It's called the British Army because it was the result of merging the English Army and the Royal Army (of Scotland). They didn't call it the "Royal Army" because that would imply that it was the continuation of the Scottish part, not of the English part. The same didn't apply to the navy, since Scotland barely had one, and obviously the RAF is far more recent. In particular, there's clearly no objection to having "Royal" regiments (see the Royal Horse Guards, the 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards, the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, the Royal Dragoon Guards, the Queen's Royal Hussars, the Royal Lancers, the King's Royal Hussars, the Royal Tank Regiment, the Royal Yeomanry, the Royal Wessex Yeomanry, the Royal Regiment of Scotland, the Precess of Wales's Royal Regiment, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, the Royal Anglian Regiment, the Royal Welsh, the Royal Irish Regiment, the Royal Gurkha Rifles, the Royal Regiment of Artillery, the Corps of Royal Engineers, the Royal Corps of Signals, the Royal Army Chaplains Department, the Royal Logistic Corps, the Royal Army Medical Corps, the Corps of Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, the Royal Army Veterinary Corps, the Royal Army Dental Corps, the Royal Army Physical Training Corps, Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps, the Royal Gibraltar Regiment and the Royal Bermuda Regiment.
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:04 am

Also they seem to be acting like there can only be a change in government after a VONC if the outgoing government endorses or recommends it.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:05 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:And pixies will accompany all these ruby-slippered travellers as they skip along the yellow-bricked road, beneath a glimmering rainbow, to London -- the emerald green buildings shining green in the sunlight, because that's the way we laugh and play in the merry old land of...

I'm sorry. I thought we wandered into Oz.


If I recall correctly, the time to leave the country is after you got everything you wanted and it proves to be a total fucking disaster.

That is right, isn't it? :eyebrow:

Exactly. Going well so far.

:roll:

At least we always, always know what to expect of you: the same attempted edge, and the same laughable surety that -- if you get the disaster you hope for -- you would actually be able to leave the country.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:08 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Cerinda wrote:Okay, now this is a quote that belongs in a sig.

It'd be narcissistic of me to quote myself, so anyone is welcome to have it. At least something positive comes out of my hyperbolic & crude remark.

The verbosity is appreciated.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:09 am

I think I get it now.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:09 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Queenie has approved BoJo's dastardly plan. Getting Palpatine vibes off BoJo now.


As always, she and her inbred minions will be fine whilst the rest of us get our arseholes annexed by the might of the Tory thundercock.

"The Queen has done what she is required by the constitution to do. Better go post something hateful about her online."
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So let me get this straight
Basically in October, the entire legislature is gonna be ended, leaving only the Prime Minister and friends?

Did you seriously think that Boris Johnson had abolished the legislative branch of a country with parliamentary supremacy, or am I just totally misinterpreting your post?
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:10 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Consider the Netherlands as well, the Dutch tend to speak English somewhat fluently. Same goes for the Scandinavian countries, by the way.

This is hardly time to leave the country.


Just before an unelected strongman hamstrings parliament in order to force through something horribly unpopular and usher in total chaos while revoking human rights protections sounds like the perfect time to get the fuck out of a country to me.
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:10 am

Let's see how this all pans out.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:11 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Exactly. Going well so far.

:roll:

At least we always, always know what to expect of you: the same attempted edge, and the same laughable surety that -- if you get the disaster you hope for -- you would actually be able to leave the country.

Undoubtedly he is absolutely brimming with marketable skills, making him a wanted commodity all over Eurasia.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:15 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:This is hardly time to leave the country.


Just before an unelected strongman hamstrings parliament in order to force through something horribly unpopular and usher in total chaos while revoking human rights protections sounds like the perfect time to get the fuck out of a country to me.

Escape now while the borders are still open.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:15 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
As always, she and her inbred minions will be fine whilst the rest of us get our arseholes annexed by the might of the Tory thundercock.

"The Queen has done what she is required by the constitution to do. Better go post something hateful about her online."
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So let me get this straight
Basically in October, the entire legislature is gonna be ended, leaving only the Prime Minister and friends?

Did you seriously think that Boris Johnson had abolished the legislative branch of a country with parliamentary supremacy, or am I just totally misinterpreting your post?


If Boris gave two hoots about Parliamentary Supremacy he wouldn't be doing this.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:16 am

Fucking hell. I knew there was a reason I didn't follow the news anymore.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:22 am

Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:23 am

Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.


Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Its not about parliamentary sovereignty it’s about national sovereignty. Parliament is stuffed to the gills with remainers and Boris knows it.


Really? Because it was my understanding that Brexit was about restoring Parliamentary Sovereignty.

No. National sovereignty. Normally that would imply parliament but not when it is in hoc with Brussels.
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