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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:22 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:When the Speaker of the House of Commons calls something a constitutional outrage it is time to take a step back.

His colors shone through a long time ago.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:23 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Ah yes cognitive dissonance...

If you can get away with it, there's no reason to keep oaths made to a country.

And of course we're all unsurprised that you think this. But Loegria is, supposedly, a big fan of God and the monarchy and all that.


Gravlen wrote:From the Financial Times
"If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week then we won’t resign. We won’t recommend another government, we’ll dissolve parliament, call an election between November 1-5 and there’ll be zero chance of Grieve legislation,” says senior official.

Anarchy in the UK to own the Euros.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:23 am

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Greater Loegria wrote:I’ve already sworn that oath and hope it will never have to broken.


While openly advocating for breaking it because Brenda thinks that democratic debate on Brexit is a good thing.

I like the monarchy as in institution. It is the most noble form of statecraft. I love watching the royal weddings, the Christmas address, the pomp and ceremony, a hereditary House of Lords.

But I fear that they, like most of the ruling class of this nation, simply oligarchic globalist neoliberals. Quite happy to sell our national heritage. The day that becomes blatantly apparent they must go.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:23 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:From the Financial Times
"If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week then we won’t resign. We won’t recommend another government, we’ll dissolve parliament, call an election between November 1-5 and there’ll be zero chance of Grieve legislation,” says senior official.


They really are that desperate to undemocraticly force through No Deal aren't they.

Yep... And the options to stop them from doing so are rapidly dwindling.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:25 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:When the Speaker of the House of Commons calls something a constitutional outrage it is time to take a step back.

His colors shone through a long time ago.

I know you can't stand him, what with him being pro-democracy and attempting to protect the powers of elected representatives and all...
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Gravlen wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:His colors shone through a long time ago.

I know you can't stand him, what with him being pro-democracy and attempting to protect the powers of elected representatives and all...

I'm not pro-representative democracy. Doesn't mean I'm not pro-democracy.
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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I, for one, welcome our new overlord Lord Patrician Dominic Cummings.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:32 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
While openly advocating for breaking it because Brenda thinks that democratic debate on Brexit is a good thing.

I like the monarchy as in institution. It is the most noble form of statecraft. I love watching the royal weddings, the Christmas address, the pomp and ceremony, a hereditary House of Lords.

But I fear that they, like most of the ruling class of this nation, simply oligarchic globalist neoliberals. Quite happy to sell our national heritage. The day that becomes blatantly apparent they must go.

The Catholic Cromwell, everybody.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Your opinion as an anarcho-capitalist posadist is again irrelevant.

You are loyal to your country? Why?

Because we patriots love our country, GVH. Love is fundamentally irrational, of course; but it's nonetheless the most powerful force for good that exists in this world. And despite all of its faults, we are all very fortunate to have grown up in what is still probably one of the kindest, most free and most prosperous societies ever to have existed in human history.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:35 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:I like the monarchy as in institution. It is the most noble form of statecraft. I love watching the royal weddings, the Christmas address, the pomp and ceremony, a hereditary House of Lords.

But I fear that they, like most of the ruling class of this nation, simply oligarchic globalist neoliberals. Quite happy to sell our national heritage. The day that becomes blatantly apparent they must go.

The Catholic Cromwell, everybody.
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You are loyal to your country? Why?

Because we patriots love our country, GVH. Love is fundamentally irrational, of course; but it's nonetheless the most powerful force for good that exists in this world. And despite all of its faults, we are all very fortunate to have grown up in what is still probably one of the kindest, most free and most prosperous societies ever to have existed in human history.

Hey now, I won’t be banning alehouses or Christmas.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:36 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:I like the monarchy as in institution. It is the most noble form of statecraft. I love watching the royal weddings, the Christmas address, the pomp and ceremony, a hereditary House of Lords.

But I fear that they, like most of the ruling class of this nation, simply oligarchic globalist neoliberals. Quite happy to sell our national heritage. The day that becomes blatantly apparent they must go.

The Catholic Cromwell, everybody.
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You are loyal to your country? Why?

Because we patriots love our country, GVH. Love is fundamentally irrational, of course; but it's nonetheless the most powerful force for good that exists in this world. And despite all of its faults, we are all very fortunate to have grown up in what is still probably one of the kindest, most free and most prosperous societies ever to have existed in human history.

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:From the Financial Times
"If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week then we won’t resign. We won’t recommend another government, we’ll dissolve parliament, call an election between November 1-5 and there’ll be zero chance of Grieve legislation,” says senior official.


They really are that desperate to undemocraticly force through No Deal aren't they.


if it wasn't going to fuck us it would be absolutely amazing to behold. imagine the sheer balls to complain about how the EU is undemocratic then pull that shit. every single time any person brings up leaving the EU ever again throughout the entire continent for the next 50 years would, if people have their heads screwed on right, be something along the lines of "but look at the complete shitshow that was brexit".
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:44 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
They really are that desperate to undemocraticly force through No Deal aren't they.


if it wasn't going to fuck us it would be absolutely amazing to behold. imagine the sheer balls to complain about how the EU is undemocratic then pull that shit. every single time any person brings up leaving the EU ever again throughout the entire continent for the next 50 years would, if people have their heads screwed on right, be something along the lines of "but look at the complete shitshow that was brexit".

We won't be fucked by Brexit, why are you so scared of Britain ruling itself?
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:47 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
if it wasn't going to fuck us it would be absolutely amazing to behold. imagine the sheer balls to complain about how the EU is undemocratic then pull that shit. every single time any person brings up leaving the EU ever again throughout the entire continent for the next 50 years would, if people have their heads screwed on right, be something along the lines of "but look at the complete shitshow that was brexit".

We won't be fucked by Brexit, why are you so scared of Britain ruling itself?


yes we will. you literally support brexit solely because of the chaos it will cause. stop giving me this meme bullshit.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:47 am

The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to mess things up.
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oh shit actually just saw the news that they asked the queen to suspend parliament. what a fucking joke of a country.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:50 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:We won't be fucked by Brexit, why are you so scared of Britain ruling itself?


yes we will. you literally support brexit solely because of the chaos it will cause. stop giving me this meme bullshit.

I support Brexit for a multitude of reasons. The chaos is one of them, and that wouldn't be a reason if it had been handled properly. The chaos will end after a time, and we will have a new golden age.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:50 am

Souseiseki wrote:oh shit actually just saw the news that they asked the queen to suspend parliament. what a fucking joke of a country.

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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to fuck things up.

A brexiteer who doesn’t want no deal?

According to some here, you do not exist.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:54 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
They really are that desperate to undemocraticly force through No Deal aren't they.


if it wasn't going to fuck us it would be absolutely amazing to behold. imagine the sheer balls to complain about how the EU is undemocratic then pull that shit. every single time any person brings up leaving the EU ever again throughout the entire continent for the next 50 years would, if people have their heads screwed on right, be something along the lines of "but look at the complete shitshow that was brexit".

I don't really understand why people complain about the EU being undemocratic either. Perhaps it's because I'm not particularly keen on democracy in the first place, but to be truthful the existence of the European Parliament and Commission are a big aspect of why I dislike the whole organisation. If it were organised as a simple league of countries governed as far as possible by something resembling the Concert of Europe, I'd be much more enthusiastic about the whole project. It's specifically the assumption of state-like apparatus by the EU, such as a directly elected parliamentary body, that I dislike, since it's part of the EU's general federalist ambitions.
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to fuck things up.

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Old Tyrannia wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
if it wasn't going to fuck us it would be absolutely amazing to behold. imagine the sheer balls to complain about how the EU is undemocratic then pull that shit. every single time any person brings up leaving the EU ever again throughout the entire continent for the next 50 years would, if people have their heads screwed on right, be something along the lines of "but look at the complete shitshow that was brexit".

I don't really understand why people complain about the EU being undemocratic either. Perhaps it's because I'm not particularly keen on democracy in the first place, but to be truthful the existence of the European Parliament and Commission are a big aspect of why I dislike the whole organisation. If it were organised as a simple league of countries governed as far as possible by something resembling the Concert of Europe, I'd be much more enthusiastic about the whole project. It's specifically the assumption of state-like apparatus by the EU, such as a directly elected parliamentary body, that I dislike, since it's part of the EU's general federalist ambitions.
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to fuck things up.

Oh my God, there's two of us.


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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to fuck things up.

Would you pick no deal or no Brexit?
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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to fuck things up.

A brexiteer who doesn’t want no deal?

According to some here, you do not exist.


Of course I want a deal, that's why I was so bitterly disappointed by May's attempts at getting one. I wanted us to leave the union on good(ish) terms. Now it doesn't seem possible.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:The no deal scenario is pretty much total departure without anything. A deal means a divorce/settlement, no deal is literally leaving without any compensation.

The idea of Brexit is not damaging. As someone who originally voted for it, I still don't see it as the worst thing ever. Rather, the way it's been handled by this government and the idea of a no deal is what's probably going to fuck things up.

Would you pick no deal or no Brexit?


Stop employing binary opposition, you know I'd pick neither of those things.
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