UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Cerinda]

Debateable, I'd argue our gun laws are far too strict.

You'd be surprised as to how liberal they actually are.

Compared to countries like China, Japan and south Korea, then yeah they are quite liberal. However, most of Europe has more lax gun laws compared to Britain. Personally I would like to see Section 2 shotguns moved back to Section 1 and for .22 calibre handguns legalised for a Section 2 licence.

[Vassenor]

You'd be surprised as to how liberal they actually are.

Compared to countries like China, Japan and south Korea, then yeah they are quite liberal. However, most of Europe has more lax gun laws compared to Britain. Personally I would like to see Section 2 shotguns moved back to Section 1 and for .22 calibre handguns legalised for a Section 2 licence.

Why?

[Ifreann]

The joke is that GL said "RIP" when the victim is still alive.

But who needs facts when you can just invent them, etc.

<shrugs> GL was wrong, you corrected them, GL was happy to be wrong, and Plat tried to invent some bullshit.

She imagined a funny scene based on GL's mistake.

[Cerinda]

Compared to countries like China, Japan and south Korea, then yeah they are quite liberal. However, most of Europe has more lax gun laws compared to Britain. Personally I would like to see Section 2 shotguns moved back to Section 1 and for .22 calibre handguns legalised for a Section 2 licence.

Why?

Well the only difference between a Section 1 and Section 2 shotgun is the amount of cartridges it can hold, I don't know why a gun that can hold more than 3 rounds should be more difficult to obtain. .22 handguns are normally used for sport shooting and are less dangerous than a centre-fire pistol like a Glock for example. Considering that people can legally own a .50 calibre rifle, I know of no reason why someone shouldn't be legally allowed to own a .22.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-49369683

Another of those far right terrorist sacks of shit, that makes me glad we have sensible gun control laws.

"I am going to kill the Muslims!"
*stabs a Slav*

It's the first crusade all over again.

[Greater Loegria]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-49369683

Another of those far right terrorist sacks of shit, that makes me glad we have sensible gun control laws.

"I am going to kill the Muslims!"
*stabs a Slav*

It's the first crusade all over again.

“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
Or as put in ‘The Dictator’: all A-rabs to me.

[Philjia]

Why?

Well the only difference between a Section 1 and Section 2 shotgun is the amount of cartridges it can hold, I don't know why a gun that can hold more than 3 rounds should be more difficult to obtain. .22 handguns are normally used for sport shooting and are less dangerous than a centre-fire pistol like a Glock for example. Considering that people can legally own a .50 calibre rifle, I know of no reason why someone shouldn't be legally allowed to own a .22.

It's much easier to kill someone with a .22 calibre round if you can conceal the weapon to get closer to them, and it's easier to commit a mass shooting if you don't have to stop to reload so often.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

lol

I’m going to take that as a ‘I have no such evidence but it was a funny jibe at one of our resident bigots anyway’.

I'm not trying to make a point about your bigotry (that's a separate issue). I'm laughing at the fact that you a) can't fucking read articles and b) interpreted my original comment in a thoroughly confusing way.

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

We are gonna leave EU soon huzza!

[Nakena]

We are gonna leave EU soon huzza!

And then all the other Kingdoms are leaving you.

[Vassenor]

We are gonna leave EU soon huzza!

Oh hey, someone still deluding themselves that this is a good thing.

[Cerinda]

Well the only difference between a Section 1 and Section 2 shotgun is the amount of cartridges it can hold, I don't know why a gun that can hold more than 3 rounds should be more difficult to obtain. .22 handguns are normally used for sport shooting and are less dangerous than a centre-fire pistol like a Glock for example. Considering that people can legally own a .50 calibre rifle, I know of no reason why someone shouldn't be legally allowed to own a .22.

It's much easier to kill someone with a .22 calibre round if you can conceal the weapon to get closer to them, and it's easier to commit a mass shooting if you don't have to stop to reload so often.

Criminals are already using illegal firearms to kill people, I don't know why they would opt for legal handguns which are less deadly and more difficult for them to obtain. The chance of a mass shooting occurring is very unlikely, as our licensing system is very strict and the police can reject your application for any reason they find fit; there is also the fact that nearly every attempted mass shooting would have been committed with an illegal weapon.

[Alvecia]

It's much easier to kill someone with a .22 calibre round if you can conceal the weapon to get closer to them, and it's easier to commit a mass shooting if you don't have to stop to reload so often.

Criminals are already using illegal firearms to kill people, I don't know why they would opt for legal handguns which are less deadly and more difficult for them to obtain.

Legalising them would make them more prevalent and even easier to obtain than they already might be.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

It's much easier to kill someone with a .22 calibre round if you can conceal the weapon to get closer to them, and it's easier to commit a mass shooting if you don't have to stop to reload so often.

Criminals are already using illegal firearms to kill people, I don't know why they would opt for legal handguns which are less deadly and more difficult for them to obtain. The chance of a mass shooting occurring is very unlikely, as our licensing system is very strict and the police can reject your application for any reason they find fit; there is also the fact that nearly every attempted mass shooting would have been committed with an illegal weapon.

Why do you suppose this guy didn't go get an illegal handgun to kill Muslims and immigrants and what have you? Do you think he thought a knife and a baseball bat would be more effective? Or was he just not all that serious about the killing thing?

[Cerinda]

Criminals are already using illegal firearms to kill people, I don't know why they would opt for legal handguns which are less deadly and more difficult for them to obtain.

Legalising them would make them more prevalent and even easier to obtain than they already might be.

But that doesn't necessarily mean criminals would use them more, in fact I'm very certain that a gang member would rather use an illegal fully automatic MAC 10 than a legal semi-automatic .22.

If we're going by what ifs when you can make the case every firearm should be banned, but I guarantee gun crime still wouldn't decrease.

[Cerinda]

Criminals are already using illegal firearms to kill people, I don't know why they would opt for legal handguns which are less deadly and more difficult for them to obtain. The chance of a mass shooting occurring is very unlikely, as our licensing system is very strict and the police can reject your application for any reason they find fit; there is also the fact that nearly every attempted mass shooting would have been committed with an illegal weapon.

Why do you suppose this guy didn't go get an illegal handgun to kill Muslims and immigrants and what have you? Do you think he thought a knife and a baseball bat would be more effective? Or was he just not all that serious about the killing thing?

Well we don't know his history yet, he may have been a violent criminal and couldn't obtain a legal firearm, and it' easy for gang members to get an illegal gun, not the average day citizen obviously.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Why do you suppose this guy didn't go get an illegal handgun to kill Muslims and immigrants and what have you? Do you think he thought a knife and a baseball bat would be more effective? Or was he just not all that serious about the killing thing?

Well we don't know his history yet, he may have been a violent criminal and couldn't obtain a legal firearm, and it' easy for gang members to get an illegal gun, not the average day citizen obviously.

Right. So to be clear, it's not that easy to get a gun illegally, and current restrictions make it difficult or impossible for would-be mass murderers to obtain them legally.

If it ain't broke...

[Cerinda]

Well we don't know his history yet, he may have been a violent criminal and couldn't obtain a legal firearm, and it' easy for gang members to get an illegal gun, not the average day citizen obviously.

Right. So to be clear, it's not that easy to get a gun illegally, and current restrictions make it difficult or impossible for would-be mass murderers to obtain them legally.

If it ain't broke...

I'm not saying all of our laws should be repealed, only that .22 handguns should be legalised within those restrictions for sport shooters. I don't know why that's such a hard concept to grasp.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Right. So to be clear, it's not that easy to get a gun illegally, and current restrictions make it difficult or impossible for would-be mass murderers to obtain them legally.

If it ain't broke...

I'm not saying all of our laws should be repealed, only that .22 handguns should be legalised within those restrictions for sport shooters. I don't know why that's such a hard concept to grasp.

I understand what you're saying. I just think it's very silly.

[Alvecia]

Legalising them would make them more prevalent and even easier to obtain than they already might be.

But that doesn't necessarily mean criminals would use them more, in fact I'm very certain that a gang member would rather use an illegal fully automatic MAC 10 than a legal semi-automatic .22.

If we're going by what ifs when you can make the case every firearm should be banned, but I guarantee gun crime still wouldn't decrease.

If guns are more prevalent and easier to obtain then use of said guns, both legal and illegal will increase. Crime is an arms race.

Edit: All other things remaining constant

[Ifreann]

But that doesn't necessarily mean criminals would use them more, in fact I'm very certain that a gang member would rather use an illegal fully automatic MAC 10 than a legal semi-automatic .22.

If we're going by what ifs when you can make the case every firearm should be banned, but I guarantee gun crime still wouldn't decrease.

If guns are more prevalent and easier to obtain then use of said guns, both legal and illegal will increase. Crime is an arms race.

Edit: All other things remaining constant

Britain 2035: Welfare recipients are given a century old Webley, two rounds of ammunition, and a pamphlet on how to cook rad badger.

[Fartsniffage]

If guns are more prevalent and easier to obtain then use of said guns, both legal and illegal will increase. Crime is an arms race.

Edit: All other things remaining constant

Britain 2035: Welfare recipients are given a century old Webley, two rounds of ammunition, and a pamphlet on how to cook rad badger.

Can we get the now illegal man stopper rounds they used to issue for the Webley?

[Ostroeuropa]

But that doesn't necessarily mean criminals would use them more, in fact I'm very certain that a gang member would rather use an illegal fully automatic MAC 10 than a legal semi-automatic .22.

If we're going by what ifs when you can make the case every firearm should be banned, but I guarantee gun crime still wouldn't decrease.

If guns are more prevalent and easier to obtain then use of said guns, both legal and illegal will increase. Crime is an arms race.

Edit: All other things remaining constant

I think it's possible to reach a point where guns being legal is better for society than them being illegal. But the harm firearms cause is escalated quicker by other factors than the benefit of them, which seems to be mostly a constant flat rate.

Strong communities, media regulations to prevent sensationalism and polarization, good economic situation and education and so on, and a broad range of other things going right, can mean guns are better legal than illegal. But as each of those factors break down, that rapidly becomes untrue.

[Ifreann]

Britain 2035: Welfare recipients are given a century old Webley, two rounds of ammunition, and a pamphlet on how to cook rad badger.

Can we get the now illegal man stopper rounds they used to issue for the Webley?

I assume there's crates of them in a warehouse somewhere, may as well put them to good use.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I think Jo Swinson's plan for a caretaker government is much more sensible than Corbyn's, though he has already done a petulant 'no me'. Let Corbyn win the election after the care taker government have stopped a no deal Brexit.