UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Ayytaly]

Nancy Pelosi cannot categorically say that and be right. Party discipline in the US is weak to nonexistent.
She has lost votes before when enough of her own party crossed the floor.

There are people of Irish descent on both sides of the political divide in the US. Would the US, as co-sponsors of the Good Friday Agreement, let it be destroyed by Boris Johnson?

Except Irish-descent cons have embraced the anglo-saxon culture, so yes.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Well, yes. He described himself as such on many occasions.

Just because you call yourself a socialist, doesn't mean you are one.

I'm pretty sure Clement Attlee was sincere about being a socialist.

[Philjia]

Well, yes. He described himself as such on many occasions.

Just because you call yourself a socialist, doesn't mean you are one.

He was though. Social Democracy may have morphed into a policy goal in it's own right, but it used to be mostly seen as a way to fully implement socialism progressively through elected government.

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

[Lower Nubia]

You realize he can't do anything else except vaguely drift about with absolutely no majority until the VONC, and then we have an election anyway? He wouldn't have a majority to govern. What do you want him to do, become prime minister, cancel brexit, and then what?

NOT hold an election?

And that would be him not "Grabbing power?"

What's the alternative you're envisioning here.

The SNP are pretty bad on other stuff, but on this one they're alright.

I want him to admit he’s an extremist and resign.

He isn’t that extreme - seeing as right wing politics has been the norm for a while in the UK, suddenly having a left, left of field politician makes him look more extreme than he actually is.

[Cerinda]

Just because you call yourself a socialist, doesn't mean you are one.

I'm pretty sure Clement Attlee was sincere about being a socialist.

Just because you call yourself a socialist, doesn't mean you are one.

He was though. Social Democracy may have morphed into a policy goal in it's own right, but it used to be mostly seen as a way to fully implement socialism progressively through elected government.

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

I'm not saying Clement wasn't a socialist, he most certainly was. I'm just pointing out that labelling yourself a socialist doesn't necessarily mean you are.

[Greater Loegria]

Labour, like most left wing movements across the world gave up on the notion of working class politics as a means to secure power during the 1970s and instead realised that the real revolution would be to change attitudes within. The Long March to the Institutions was a thing, a thing that they happily admit to. Revolution wouldn’t be about getting workers to rise up and seize Buckingham Palace, Westminster, Paddington Station and Wellington Barracks it would be about getting their people in as teachers, CofE clergy, civil servants et cetera. And after having betrayed the working classes whilst they knew they could still rely on them not to vote for the forbidden word ‘Tory’ (even though many are beginning to suck it up and vote Tory) they realised they needed a new electorate. Immigrants, coffee shop progressives and all sorts of other fringe groups.

Labour has a few actual socialists but with global capitalism more than happy to piggyback on progressive decadence and literally promote it as a brand they’re happy to let corporations do their thing so long as everyone’s on board with transsexualism multiculturalism.

All those jobs in the Rhondda, Grimsby, Yorkshire... none of them are coming back. But oh well at least you can galumph about in drag and eat shawarmas.

[The New California Republic]

So was Clement Attlee a socialist too?

Well, yes. He described himself as such on many occasions.

I was having a discussion with NA in the RWDT about this. NA said that the UK came closest to democratic socialism in the 70s, but I think it was in the period from 1945-50:

Actually I'd say it was closest from 1945 to 1950, when war rationing was still in effect (which didn't totally end until 1954) and ensured equal allocation of foodstuffs and other consumer goods like clothes etc, and Attlee nationalised coal, electric, steel, and the railways; and the creation of the NHS.

[The New California Republic]

All those jobs in the Rhondda, Grimsby, Yorkshire... none of them are coming back. But oh well at least you can galumph about in drag and eat shawarmas.

What's wrong with drag and takeaway food? It sounds like a good night out...

[Thermodolia]

Nancy Pelosi: Congress will not allow a US-UK trade deal if Brexit undermines the Good Friday Agreement.

How's that special relationship working out for you?

Nancy Pelosi cannot categorically say that and be right. Party discipline in the US is weak to nonexistent.
She has lost votes before when enough of her own party crossed the floor.

She’s not the only one to have said that though. Our Trade Rep has said the same thing, that the UK won’t get a good deal if they fuck over the GFA.

[Thermodolia]

Nancy Pelosi cannot categorically say that and be right. Party discipline in the US is weak to nonexistent.
She has lost votes before when enough of her own party crossed the floor.

There are people of Irish descent on both sides of the political divide in the US. Would the US, as co-sponsors of the Good Friday Agreement, let it be destroyed by Boris Johnson?

Considering that Pelosi is just one of many people who have said that the UK won’t get a free trade deal if they fuck over the GFA, including our current Trade Rep, and a few senators. I’d say that we aren’t exactly going to let the Irish people be fucked over. Remember Irish Nationalism is pretty damn high in the US to the point that several people here once sent money to the IRA.

[Hirota]

There are people of Irish descent on both sides of the political divide in the US. Would the US, as co-sponsors of the Good Friday Agreement, let it be destroyed by Boris Johnson?

Considering that Pelosi is just one of many people who have said that the UK won’t get a free trade deal if they fuck over the GFA, including our current Trade Rep, and a few senators. I’d say that we aren’t exactly going to let the Irish people be fucked over. Remember Irish Nationalism is pretty damn high in the US to the point that several people here once sent money to the IRA.

Ha, There is a perverse part of my mind that wants to see a no-deal Brexit just to see the mental gymnastics employed by the self-proclaimed leaders of the war on terror justifying sponsoring terror groups again.

But of course, it shouldn't be surprising that the US is more concerned about the Irish than their own citizens who they repeatedly fuck over because Americans do enjoy collectively fantasising about their ancestors as opposed to doing something actually productive.

And yes, yes they could do both. But they've got to organise a stupid parade for next Saint Paddys day right?

[Ifreann]

Nancy Pelosi cannot categorically say that and be right. Party discipline in the US is weak to nonexistent.
She has lost votes before when enough of her own party crossed the floor.

There are people of Irish descent on both sides of the political divide in the US. Would the US, as co-sponsors of the Good Friday Agreement, let it be destroyed by Boris Johnson?

Vice President Mike Pence is coming to Ireland in a few weeks and reportedly plans to voice his support for the Good Friday Agreement.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

lol lib dems

[Nakena]

All those jobs in the Rhondda, Grimsby, Yorkshire... none of them are coming back. But oh well at least you can galumph about in drag and eat shawarmas.

What's wrong with drag and takeaway food? It sounds like a good night out...

I believe it was more about the frw positive things the new time has brought in comparisation to all the other things GL had listed, which are gone now. (or changed to the worse)

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

What's wrong with drag and takeaway food? It sounds like a good night out...

I believe it was more about the frw positive things the new time has brought in comparisation to all the other things GL had listed, which are gone now. (or changed to the worse)

Nah, it's a dogwhistle. He's giving examples of things that, bigot that he is, he has disdain for, but which he knows other people consider progress.

This is someone who said the other day that he'd be okay with a fascist government because it wouldn't hurt him.

[Thermodolia]

Considering that Pelosi is just one of many people who have said that the UK won’t get a free trade deal if they fuck over the GFA, including our current Trade Rep, and a few senators. I’d say that we aren’t exactly going to let the Irish people be fucked over. Remember Irish Nationalism is pretty damn high in the US to the point that several people here once sent money to the IRA.

Ha, There is a perverse part of my mind that wants to see a no-deal Brexit just to see the mental gymnastics employed by the self-proclaimed leaders of the war on terror justifying sponsoring terror groups again.

The government never supported the IRA. Those where private citizens. Though the government didn’t care if said citizens funded the IRA.

But of course, it shouldn't be surprising that the US is more concerned about the Irish than their own citizens who they repeatedly fuck over because Americans do enjoy collectively fantasising about their ancestors as opposed to doing something actually productive.

There are many other ways to show that the Government fucks us over. That’s not really one of them since it requires changing the entire constitution.

And yes, yes they could do both. But they've got to organise a stupid parade for next Saint Paddys day right?

Seems you really dislike the Irish a tad bit much

[Hirota]

Ha, There is a perverse part of my mind that wants to see a no-deal Brexit just to see the mental gymnastics employed by the self-proclaimed leaders of the war on terror justifying sponsoring terror groups again.

The government never supported the IRA. Those where private citizens. Though the government didn’t care if said citizens funded the IRA.

But of course, it shouldn't be surprising that the US is more concerned about the Irish than their own citizens who they repeatedly fuck over because Americans do enjoy collectively fantasising about their ancestors as opposed to doing something actually productive.

There are many other ways to show that the Government fucks us over. That’s not really one of them since it requires changing the entire constitution.

Granted, it wasn't the government sponsoring them. So I wonder if they'll round up the US sponsors and get them into 'gitmo?

Don't answer that, I'm being facetious. I wouldn't want foreigners taken away from their homes and locked up for silly reasons, why would I want Americans to go through the same?

As for the whole "We won't give citizens rights cos it's too hard" - not doing something right because it's hard is a stupid excuse - shame on you for peddling it.

And yes, yes they could do both. But they've got to organise a stupid parade for next Saint Paddys day right?

Seems you really dislike the Irish a tad bit much

Seems you can't read. My criticism in this post has entirely been directed at American politics and how they seem more keen to stick their nose in elsewhere than actually do something productive for their own citizens.

Still, we have plenty of other threads for American idiocy, so I'll stop my threadjack. This is a British thread for British idiocy

[Souseiseki]

NHS bosses have recruited 4,000 Asian nurses to replace EU staff who quit after Brexit referendum, new figures show

lol brexit

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Turkey's Military Pension Fund are taking over British Steel. Which just seems odd given all the fear mongering about Turkey in the run up to the Brexit vote. Sovereignty feels all round.

[Cerinda]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... y-18944727

I guess we can call this Corbyn's Coup, it has a nice ring to it.

[North German Realm]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-rebels-welcome-plan-jeremy-18944727

I guess we can call this Corbyn's Coup,it has a nice ring to it.

British politics just becomes more and more amusing, to be honest.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

NHS bosses have recruited 4,000 Asian nurses to replace EU staff who quit after Brexit referendum, new figures show

lol brexit

What happened to "Keeping dem bloody goddon gaijins out of England" gaiz?

[Vassenor]

So what's this about the Lib Dems abandoning being Anti-Brexit when the chips were actually down?

[Chan Island]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-rebels-welcome-plan-jeremy-18944727

I guess we can call this Corbyn's Coup,it has a nice ring to it.

Jeremy Corbyn getting into number 10 without a general election and with the support of a Tory MP is about as game of thrones a plottwist as reality could possibly get.

[The Blaatschapen]

NHS bosses have recruited 4,000 Asian nurses to replace EU staff who quit after Brexit referendum, new figures show

lol brexit

What happened to "Keeping dem bloody goddon gaijins out of England" gaiz?

Gaijins are non-Japanese.

I'd argue that England already has a lot of Gaijin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin