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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Liriena » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 pm

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I may not know a lot about British politics but I'm pretty sure Corbyn isn't a Leninist.

Corbyn is clearly as Posadist.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:52 pm

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Liriena wrote:I mean... if it's happening, I get it.

Even if they don't represent a majority of the British populace, Remainers aren't just some insignificant minority, yet they keep getting treated like it by the political establishment.
Nonsense. Most MP's voted remain.

In the referendum. I'm talking about now.

No-dealers and hard Brexiteers hold all of the cards now, no?
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Postby Arcadian Union » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:00 pm

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I may not know a lot about British politics but I'm pretty sure Corbyn isn't a Leninist.

BoJo has described Jeremy as "the leader of a cabal of superannuated Marxists" in recent months. There was a phase this year of politicians calling other politicians Marxist, but we got past that.

Reminds in the US when anyone who wants universal healthcare is apparently a raging communist.
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Postby Hirota » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:08 pm

Liriena wrote:

In the referendum. I'm talking about now.

No-dealers and hard Brexiteers hold all of the cards now, no?

You said "they keep" getting treated as an insignificant minority, which implies an extended trend.

And given there is ongoing fantasies about a cross party government performing a de facto coup to cancel Brexit or rerun the referendum, it's still nonsense now.
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Postby Hirota » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:09 pm

Arcadian Union wrote:

I may not know a lot about British politics but I'm pretty sure Corbyn isn't a Leninist.
Iirc he's a Bennite , which implies syndicalist, but Ostro can probably confirm that.
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Postby Cerinda » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:25 pm

Hirota wrote:
Arcadian Union wrote:

I may not know a lot about British politics but I'm pretty sure Corbyn isn't a Leninist.
Iirc he's a Bennite , which implies syndicalist, but Ostro can probably confirm that.

Well he's pro workers rights, supports the nationalisation of industries like railways and wants to raise the minimum wage, but he's not a syndicalist. If anything he's a left-wing social democrat or if you want to go to the extreme then he's a democratic socialist.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:32 pm

Arcadian Union wrote:

I may not know a lot about British politics but I'm pretty sure Corbyn isn't a Leninist.

"I'd like to overthrow the government and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat, but unfortunately to do so would be to breach an international treaty."

-Lenin, apparently
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Postby Phoenicaea » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:36 am

^ ..britain could then lend the leninist moment to america through the trade deal

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:27 am

Cerinda wrote:UKIP's new leader has already got himself into a bit of bother.

I can't imagine this will look good.

Another step forward on the road towards making fascism the new normal.


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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:13 am

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Cerinda wrote:UKIP's new leader has already got himself into a bit of bother.

I can't imagine this will look good.

Another step forward on the road towards making fascism the new normal.

Ah yes because UKIP has a shit ton of political sway and isn’t a party so irrelevant that the Monster Raving Looney Party has better polling numbers
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:30 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Another step forward on the road towards making fascism the new normal.

Ah yes because UKIP has a shit ton of political sway and isn’t a party so irrelevant that the Monster Raving Looney Party has better polling numbers

David Cameron's fear of losing supporters to UKIP is the reason Britain is leaving the EU.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:38 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Cerinda wrote:UKIP's new leader has already got himself into a bit of bother.

I can't imagine this will look good.

Another step forward on the road towards making fascism the new normal.
Eh, we've had T-shirts and posters of a jailer and executioner-in-chief of Cuba plastered around for decades. What's one more genocidal maniac on a T-shirt in the grand scheme of things.

Heck, I say we have more genocidal maniacs on products! Who wants to buy a Ghengis Khan onesie? How about a Leopold II hoodie? Or a Pope Innocent III mouse mat?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ah yes because UKIP has a shit ton of political sway and isn’t a party so irrelevant that the Monster Raving Looney Party has better polling numbers

David Cameron's fear of losing supporters to UKIP is the reason Britain is leaving the EU.

That doesn’t really matter anymore considering that UKIP now is so irrelevant as a party that satirical political parties get more votes than them. What was UKIP is now the Brexit Party. So I wouldn’t look to UKIP as the barometer of fascism in the UK especially when the person on the shirt wasn’t even fascist.

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Postby Cerinda » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ah yes because UKIP has a shit ton of political sway and isn’t a party so irrelevant that the Monster Raving Looney Party has better polling numbers

David Cameron's fear of losing supporters to UKIP is the reason Britain is leaving the EU.

To be fair that was when Farage was charge and the party was extremely popular. Now, after Nigel left for the 4th time and Carl Benjamin destroyed their reputation, they've faded into obscurity.

Of course Dick's plan to make UKIP the "far moderates" isn't going well since having a murderous dictator on your shirt isn't really moderate, is it?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:David Cameron's fear of losing supporters to UKIP is the reason Britain is leaving the EU.

That doesn’t really matter anymore considering that UKIP now is so irrelevant as a party that satirical political parties get more votes than them. What was UKIP is now the Brexit Party. So I wouldn’t look to UKIP as the barometer of fascism in the UK especially when the person on the shirt wasn’t even fascist.

The party that was influential until it finally attracted too many racists to maintain plausible deniability any more and split isn't a barometer of fascism...because they don't get many votes?
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That’s quite a naughty suggestion really though.

So basically what your signature says about your political views is a bald-faced lie?

Em... no?
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That doesn’t really matter anymore considering that UKIP now is so irrelevant as a party that satirical political parties get more votes than them. What was UKIP is now the Brexit Party. So I wouldn’t look to UKIP as the barometer of fascism in the UK especially when the person on the shirt wasn’t even fascist.

The party that was influential until it finally attracted too many racists to maintain plausible deniability any more and split isn't a barometer of fascism...because they don't get many votes?

Christ alive.. imagine thinking that fascism has anything to do with this. If you want to see a bit of fascism just wait a few more years for neo-liberalism to reach peak wank. Then in its afterglow there’ll be some bloody fascism.
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Cerinda wrote:UKIP's new leader has already got himself into a bit of bother.

I can't imagine this will look good.

Phwoarrrghh look at that birdage.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:44 am

Greater Loegria wrote:Em... no?


Nah you wanted to crash and burn things. Wreck them, because you realize and know deep inside your marry old england is never going to return.

You're on my level now.

Altough for other reasons but still.

Nice to meet you.

Greater Loegria wrote:Christ alive.. imagine thinking that fascism has anything to do with this. If you want to see a bit of fascism just wait a few more years for neo-liberalism to reach peak wank. Then in its afterglow there’ll be some bloody fascism.


See? Thats what I am talking about. Not very classic nor very high tory that is!
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:55 am

Nakena wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Em... no?


Nah you wanted to crash and burn things. Wreck them, because you realize and know deep inside your marry old england is never going to return.

You're on my level now.

Altough for other reasons but still.

Nice to meet you.

Greater Loegria wrote:Christ alive.. imagine thinking that fascism has anything to do with this. If you want to see a bit of fascism just wait a few more years for neo-liberalism to reach peak wank. Then in its afterglow there’ll be some bloody fascism.


See? Thats what I am talking about. Not very classic nor very high tory that is!

A pleasure I’m sure.

I mean yes, I’ve accepted that a picture-postcard vision of a traditional Britain is not going to be salvaged. I suppose I am largely resigned to egging on chaos though I still enjoy the ebb and flow of society as it exists now largely: parties, regattas, festivals et cetera.

I don’t quite endorse fascism but if it gets to a point where more reasonable and savoury folk have been ignored then I won’t be particularly vocal in opposition. I doubt that I personally would have much to fear in such circumstances.
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Nah you wanted to crash and burn things. Wreck them, because you realize and know deep inside your marry old england is never going to return.

You're on my level now.

Altough for other reasons but still.

Nice to meet you.



See? Thats what I am talking about. Not very classic nor very high tory that is!

A pleasure I’m sure.

I mean yes, I’ve accepted that a picture-postcard vision of a traditional Britain is not going to be salvaged. I suppose I am largely resigned to egging on chaos though I still enjoy the ebb and flow of society as it exists now largely: parties, regattas, festivals et cetera.

I don’t quite endorse fascism but if it gets to a point where more reasonable and savoury folk have been ignored then I won’t be particularly vocal in opposition. I doubt that I personally would have much to fear in such circumstances.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:01 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The party that was influential until it finally attracted too many racists to maintain plausible deniability any more and split isn't a barometer of fascism...because they don't get many votes?

Christ alive.. imagine thinking that fascism has anything to do with this. If you want to see a bit of fascism just wait a few more years for neo-liberalism to reach peak wank. Then in its afterglow there’ll be some bloody fascism.

Imagine thinking that there are no fascists now, but there'll be loads suddenly in a few years.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Christ alive.. imagine thinking that fascism has anything to do with this. If you want to see a bit of fascism just wait a few more years for neo-liberalism to reach peak wank. Then in its afterglow there’ll be some bloody fascism.

Imagine thinking that there are no fascists now, but there'll be loads suddenly in a few years.

I didn’t say they didn’t exist.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:11 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Imagine thinking that there are no fascists now, but there'll be loads suddenly in a few years.

I didn’t say they didn’t exist.

So...what? You think they don't associate with UKIP?
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