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What percentage of teenagers and adults do you think would try the museum AT LEAST ONCE?

Close to 0%
19
26%
Close to 10%
12
17%
Close to 25%
23
32%
Close to 50%
9
13%
Close to 75%
5
7%
Close to 100%
4
6%
 
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Postby EastKekistan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:44 am

Close to 100%

Don't ever underestimate how dark humans are. In fact "mass murderers" can be replaced by "random people" and the percentage will still be high. After all humans used to enjoy public executions as if these are entertainment.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:52 am

EastKekistan wrote:Close to 100%

Don't ever underestimate how dark humans are. In fact "mass murderers" can be replaced by "random people" and the percentage will still be high. After all humans used to enjoy public executions as if these are entertainment.

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Postby New Bremerton » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:08 am

100 old Zim Dollars, which were literally used as toilet paper? Expect an even higher percentage.

Jokes aside, this god seems pretty classist to me. Justice should be for all, not just the richest 10%.

Technical question: Can this god open multiple, simultaneous instances of this museum and have multiple iterations of the serial killer be tortured by multiple participants, similar to raids and dungeons in WoW?

I personally wouldn't torture the guy to death unless he murdered my loved ones and I was driven purely by vengeful bloodlust at that point, and even then I would only do it once and not allow others to repeat the ordeal. It would also depend on whether my loved ones died in excruciating agony i.e. by being burned alive while the killer licked his lips and grinned maniacally, or were simply shot in the head. If I did torture him, I would make sure he dies in the process and call it a day. Anything beyond that is disproportionate to the crimes committed.

I say 25% of humans would pay to torture the serial killer if they could afford it. 5% if we include poor people. I wouldn't hold it against them if their loved ones were the ones murdered.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:35 am

EastKekistan wrote:Don't ever underestimate how dark humans are. In fact "mass murderers" can be replaced by "random people" and the percentage will still be high. After all humans used to enjoy public executions as if these are entertainment.

This one costs money, and not everyone will have the time off work. I doubt anyone will care enough.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:43 am

Close to 0%. Only people who need to exact vengeance on the mass murderer. And the murderer probably killed less than 1% of humanity (that amounts to 70 million people, slightly more than the whole of the UK).

100 euro for 5 minutes amounts to 1200 euro an hour.

Given that the phrase is make love, not war -> prostitutes are usually cheaper at this rate.

Also, a lot of people don't have 100 euro to spend. And for only five minutes of "entertainment". That's a pretty shitty deal.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:46 am

Geneviev wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
On the contrary, it will become a standard subsidised schooltrip. Especially for christian schools.

Why for Christian schools?


Showing kids how God delivers rightful punishment to a sinner ? Fits the curriculum perfectly.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:47 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Close to 0%. Only people who need to exact vengeance on the mass murderer. And the murderer probably killed less than 1% of humanity (that amounts to 70 million people, slightly more than the whole of the UK).

100 euro for 5 minutes amounts to 1200 euro an hour.

Given that the phrase is make love, not war -> prostitutes are usually cheaper at this rate.

Also, a lot of people don't have 100 euro to spend. And for only five minutes of "entertainment". That's a pretty shitty deal.


It is 100 euros for definite proof God and an afterlife exist.
A bargain.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:49 am

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Bombadil wrote:You'd have to discount all the people who can't afford $100, I suspect that would wipe out a good 60-70% alone.


You'd be surprised.

The people who are struggling to make ends meet may be the ones with the MOST ANGER to vent. They might scrap the money together and do it at all cost.


Would they murder a lot of people for it? So much that an all powerful being puts them in a torture museum in which you can enact your revenge? :unsure:
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:23 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Some people would do this, but definitely no more than 10 percent. People are generally much better than this.


On the contrary, it will become a standard subsidised schooltrip. Especially for christian schools.


Why?

Wouldn’t be inappropriate for children?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:36 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Close to 0%. Only people who need to exact vengeance on the mass murderer. And the murderer probably killed less than 1% of humanity (that amounts to 70 million people, slightly more than the whole of the UK).

100 euro for 5 minutes amounts to 1200 euro an hour.

Given that the phrase is make love, not war -> prostitutes are usually cheaper at this rate.

Also, a lot of people don't have 100 euro to spend. And for only five minutes of "entertainment". That's a pretty shitty deal.


It is 100 euros for definite proof God and an afterlife exist.
A bargain.


Proof that a God exists.

I don't need to spend 100 euro for that.

Mirrors are cheaper 8)
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:40 am

Bro ima be in there pulling all the levers, doing everything to this guy. It's gonna be hours of suffering for him and sadistic pleasure for me.

Okay now for real, what lovecraftian nightmare would do this to a man? This sounds like hands on hell. And what if it decided to start putting more people in the torture museum? What if eventually all of us ended up there, being brutally tortured in agony, screaming and dying repeatedly forever and ever? I would be horrified by this
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:26 am

Very, very few people IM.

Think about it. An unknowable entitiy of untold power offers people a way to live out their depraved fantasies? Even the ones that would like to do this and have the cash are gonna be assuming that this entity is the devil or so close to the devil it makes no difference. They'd be worried that they'd be signing away their soul or at least their consciousness for eternal damnation or torture.

Nah. Not many people would go for this at all.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:45 am

EastKekistan wrote:Close to 100%

Don't ever underestimate how dark humans are. In fact "mass murderers" can be replaced by "random people" and the percentage will still be high. After all humans used to enjoy public executions as if these are entertainment.


Mate, you are trying far too hard and it is very much showing. I am absolutely certain that if you personally were forced to - for instance - electrocute someone to death you'd find it abhorrent, possibly throw up and likely have some moderate to severe psychological damage as a result. And that's fine. That would be a very normal, healthy human reaction and a big reason why we aren't allowed to do Milgrim experiments anymore. Problem is you're aware of that, you've somehow come to the conclusion basic empathy is a weakness (it's not, it's literally the foundation for our successes as a species) and have decided to double down on the whole 'people are inherantly evil' nonsense.

Just cut down on the edgelord stuff that's fooling no one and the absolute worst that will happen is in a few years time you'll remember some of these posts and get a heavy dose of delayed cringe.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:59 am

Gah, I read the title "Torture Museum" and had memories of the museum they have at the Renaissance Festival each year displaying torture devices of the Middle Ages. This "museum" of your imagining is dreadfully dull in comparison. I've been left disappointed, I'll be giving this museum a wretched Yelp! review and returning to my plans to burn the mortal world in revolution.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:59 am

Caracasus wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Close to 100%

Don't ever underestimate how dark humans are. In fact "mass murderers" can be replaced by "random people" and the percentage will still be high. After all humans used to enjoy public executions as if these are entertainment.


Mate, you are trying far too hard and it is very much showing. I am absolutely certain that if you personally were forced to - for instance - electrocute someone to death you'd find it abhorrent, possibly throw up and likely have some moderate to severe psychological damage as a result. And that's fine. That would be a very normal, healthy human reaction and a big reason why we aren't allowed to do Milgrim experiments anymore. Problem is you're aware of that, you've somehow come to the conclusion basic empathy is a weakness (it's not, it's literally the foundation for our successes as a species) and have decided to double down on the whole 'people are inherantly evil' nonsense.

Just cut down on the edgelord stuff that's fooling no one and the absolute worst that will happen is in a few years time you'll remember some of these posts and get a heavy dose of delayed cringe.


I wouldn't say people are inherently evil but if you don't think half to a majority of people could be convinced to do some sick shit, or at least look the other way, you're wrong as hell. If someone in a position of authority tells you to torture someone, there's a good chance you'll do it. We don't allow milgram experiments anymore because in the experiments, even when the subjects thought the guy on the other end might die, they still would keep pulling levers when the dude in a white coat told them. Look at every dictatorship in the world right now and tell me there isn't a large amount of the population that supports those guys. They couldn't hold power if they didn't have a sizeable fanbase ready to kill and die for them. People are inherently followers and don't have the guts to speak up against oppression or violence. Some people do and that's good for them, but most would rather not rock the boat and let it go on.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:01 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Bro ima be in there pulling all the levers, doing everything to this guy. It's gonna be hours of suffering for him and sadistic pleasure for me.


You've got thousands of dollars to drop to spend hours in this museum?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:02 am

Caracasus wrote:Very, very few people IM.

Think about it. An unknowable entitiy of untold power offers people a way to live out their depraved fantasies? Even the ones that would like to do this and have the cash are gonna be assuming that this entity is the devil or so close to the devil it makes no difference. They'd be worried that they'd be signing away their soul or at least their consciousness for eternal damnation or torture.

Nah. Not many people would go for this at all.


They only don't out of concern for themselves. Not for the other guy. Clearly that isn't a good reflection of their character, and if instead of some demented God doing this, a normal human being gave them the chance to legally kill or torture someone, I am certain there would be a line of sick bastards stretching a good mile ready to live out their murder fantasies
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:03 am

Kannap wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Bro ima be in there pulling all the levers, doing everything to this guy. It's gonna be hours of suffering for him and sadistic pleasure for me.


You've got thousands of dollars to drop to spend hours in this museum?


I got all my life savings. I'll live in a box man, I don't care :rofl:

In all honesty it was a joke. Not only do I not wanna torture someone, but I probably couldn't go there and do it if the price was even $500
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Postby Dr Crowler » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:04 am

If we are assuming modern day circumstances I would say 15-20%. Now if we were talking about 400 years ago or post apocalyptic that would easily rise to about 70-75%.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:11 am

Kannap wrote:Gah, I read the title "Torture Museum" and had memories of the museum they have at the Renaissance Festival each year displaying torture devices of the Middle Ages. This "museum" of your imagining is dreadfully dull in comparison. I've been left disappointed, I'll be giving this museum a wretched Yelp! review and returning to my plans to burn the mortal world in revolution.

I actually thought it was going to be an interesting discussion on the specific torture devices that are present in such museums, but alas...
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Kannap wrote:Gah, I read the title "Torture Museum" and had memories of the museum they have at the Renaissance Festival each year displaying torture devices of the Middle Ages. This "museum" of your imagining is dreadfully dull in comparison. I've been left disappointed, I'll be giving this museum a wretched Yelp! review and returning to my plans to burn the mortal world in revolution.

I actually thought it was going to be an interesting discussion on the specific torture devices that are present in such museums, but alas...


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Postby Rezmaeristan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:17 am

I hate to admit it, but I'd probably do it. We all have horrible sadism deep inside us, it just takes something to bring it out. Some people already have it closer to the surface. I guessed 25% but good advertising might bring it up to 35%, even forty.
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Caracasus wrote:Very, very few people IM.

Think about it. An unknowable entitiy of untold power offers people a way to live out their depraved fantasies? Even the ones that would like to do this and have the cash are gonna be assuming that this entity is the devil or so close to the devil it makes no difference. They'd be worried that they'd be signing away their soul or at least their consciousness for eternal damnation or torture.

Nah. Not many people would go for this at all.


This is an interesting factor I had not considered.

When I wrote the scenario I did not entirely factor in theological considerations like Hell and your soul or whether this god was testing you (or whether it would be perceived that way).

I was thinking in terms of the mechanics of the god offering a "Scot-Free" torture opportunity and what percentage would take it based on simplistic moral calculations vs base instincts
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:21 am

Please assume that the all-powerful god will take infallible and effective steps to protect you from the legal and social ramifications of using the torture museum.

Ergo, IM will close the torture museum. That's the only way to stop there being any consequences for those who visit.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:22 am

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Please assume that the all-powerful god will take infallible and effective steps to protect you from the legal and social ramifications of using the torture museum.

Ergo, IM will close the torture museum. That's the only way to stop there being any consequences for those who visit.


or the god will wipe the specific aspects of the memories of all those who have seen you at the museum and will provide you with 100% fail proof alibi in case you're questioned about your absence in a specific time

I mean, he is all powerful
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