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Should the Führer bunker in Berlin be opened?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:23 am
by Bonenburg
2 years ago i was in Berlin, it was too bad i could not visit the bunker of Hitler.
I think it's a missed opportunity from the city of Berlin.

The führer bunker was the bunker were Adolf Hitler spent the last days of his life.

I think the führer bunker should become a musuem open for visitors. It is an important part of the German history and many tourists would want to visit such a place.

Link for background information : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerbunker

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:31 am
by Nakena
It's barely existing anymore. It would have to be completly renovated and refurnished into the 1945 original condition.

But it would probably pay off and be a popular tourist attraction.

However german establishment is way too tight assed and pansy to get cool stuff done. It would be also against their official policy.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:32 am
by Ifreann
Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:33 am
by Ostroeuropa
It seems like it would probably earn revenue for the city, so yes.

Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.


Ehhh... depends.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:35 am
by Aaaaaa
Sounds like it could be a lucrative tourist trap. Surprised it hasn't been opened earlier.

Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

No, you'll just get a bunch of Instagram stars taking selfies and ass shots in the spot where Adolf capped himself.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:37 am
by Imbalistan
Aaaaaa wrote:Sounds like it could be a lucrative tourist trap. Surprised it hasn't been opened earlier.

Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

No, you'll just get a bunch of Instagram stars taking selfies and ass shots in the spot where Adolf capped himself.

"#WarCriminalSelfies".

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:40 am
by Nakena
Aaaaaa wrote:Sounds like it could be a lucrative tourist trap. Surprised it hasn't been opened earlier.

Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

No, you'll just get a bunch of Instagram stars taking selfies and ass shots in the spot where Adolf capped himself.


Well if they pay a 15-20 eurobucks entry price or whatever they will demand, it will be a profitable venture. But as said german authorities do not want this kind of tourism. (they get it anyways. Selfies at the Holocauster Minecraft memorial are popular)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:55 am
by Liriena
Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

Probably. I quite like the way it is now.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:59 am
by -Astoria
Pretty sure that it was demolished & replaced with a car park.

If in fact that there are still some remnants, I'd probably say no, because it's very likely that it'd be used as a sort of shrine for neo-Nazis & their ilk. But hey, it could also be a great tourist destination...

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:59 am
by The New California Republic
It's likely that there is very little left of it:

In December 1947, the Soviets tried to blow up the bunker, but only the separation walls were damaged. In 1959, the East German government began a series of demolitions of the Chancellery, including the bunker. Because it was near the Berlin Wall, the site was undeveloped and neglected until 1988–89. During extensive construction of residential housing and other buildings on the site, work crews uncovered several underground sections of the old bunker complex; for the most part these were destroyed. Other parts of the Chancellery underground complex were uncovered, but these were ignored, filled in, or resealed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChr ... war_events

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:02 am
by Nakena
-Astoria wrote:Pretty sure that it was demolished & replaced with a car park.


No that is the former Gestapo HQ which was bulldozed and a car track was build on top of it, where people without license could drive trash cars. Which is pretty cool tbh. They replaced it with a Museum though.

-Astoria wrote:If in fact that there are still some remnants, I'd probably say no, because it's very likely that it'd be used as a sort of shrine for neo-Nazis & their ilk. But hey, it could also be a great tourist destination...


Its below a housing complex. I've visited the site a few years ago. Literally nothing. Berlin has better things to offer.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:06 am
by -Astoria
Nakena wrote:
-Astoria wrote:Pretty sure that it was demolished & replaced with a car park.


No that is the former Gestapo HQ which was bulldozed and a car track was build on top of it, where people without license could drive trash cars. Which is pretty cool tbh. They replaced it with a Museum though.

-Astoria wrote:If in fact that there are still some remnants, I'd probably say no, because it's very likely that it'd be used as a sort of shrine for neo-Nazis & their ilk. But hey, it could also be a great tourist destination...


Its below a housing complex. I've visited the site a few years ago. Literally nothing. Berlin has better things to offer.

So basically, there's next to nothing, correct?
That was my point.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:07 am
by Risottia
Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.


I can picture a bus load of Nazis marching onto the Führerbunker shouting FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:09 am
by USS Monitor
Given that it's not intact, probably best to just move on. If it was still in good condition, yeah, interesting bit of history, potential tourist attraction -- but I think there's a meaningful difference between preserving and remembering history vs. rebuilding things after they've been trashed, and this isn't something that needs to be rebuilt.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:09 am
by The New California Republic
Risottia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.


I can picture a bus load of Nazis marching onto the Führerbunker shouting FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!

It'd make a hell of an airsoft venue though, if much of it still existed.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:10 am
by Nakena
-Astoria wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No that is the former Gestapo HQ which was bulldozed and a car track was build on top of it, where people without license could drive trash cars. Which is pretty cool tbh. They replaced it with a Museum though.



Its below a housing complex. I've visited the site a few years ago. Literally nothing. Berlin has better things to offer.

So basically, there's next to nothing, correct?
That was my point.


Theres other Bunkers and stuff though.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:11 am
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics
If they can refurbish it, sure. I know I'd go there, I'd really like to see what it looked like inside.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:11 am
by The New California Republic
USS Monitor wrote:Given that it's not intact, probably best to just move on. If it was still in good condition, yeah, interesting bit of history, potential tourist attraction -- but I think there's a meaningful difference between preserving and remembering history vs. rebuilding things after they've been trashed, and this isn't something that needs to be rebuilt.

Yup. I'd guesstimate that it'd be a 90% rebuild, based on what has been said in terms of how much the site has been disturbed since the war.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:12 am
by Agarntrop
Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

As this is Germany they'd probably get arrested.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:13 am
by Nakena
Agarntrop wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

As this is Germany they'd probably get arrested.


Actually no. Neo-Nazis are quite a thing in some parts of Berlin my local guide told me when I was there. (its been a couple of years though)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:14 am
by Bear Stearns
Aaaaaa wrote:Sounds like it could be a lucrative tourist trap. Surprised it hasn't been opened earlier.

Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

No, you'll just get a bunch of Instagram stars taking selfies and ass shots in the spot where Adolf capped himself.


What if they had lawn bowling, cornhole, and wiffleball tournaments at Auschwitz.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:15 am
by Agarntrop
Nakena wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:As this is Germany they'd probably get arrested.


Actually no. Neo-Nazis are quite a thing in some parts of Berlin my local guide told me when I was there. (its been a couple of years though)

Can't jew you get fined for it?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:16 am
by Nakena
Agarntrop wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Actually no. Neo-Nazis are quite a thing in some parts of Berlin my local guide told me when I was there. (its been a couple of years though)

Can't jew you get fined for it?


Displaying Hitler salute and Swastika flag can be If i am remember correctly.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:16 am
by Bear Stearns
Risottia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.


I can picture a bus load of Nazis marching onto the Führerbunker shouting FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!


People would definitely recreate the Downfall memes. I think it'd end up being a hipster hang out or become trashed by vagrants and the homeless.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:17 am
by Agarntrop
Nakena wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Can't jew you get fined for it?


Displaying Hitler salute and Swastika flag can be If i am remember correctly.

Yep. And a lot more.