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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:17 am

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I can picture a bus load of Nazis marching onto the Führerbunker shouting FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!


People would definitely recreate the Downfall memes. I think it'd end up being a hipster hang out or become trashed by vagrants and the homeless.


Holocauster memorial has become a hipster and tourist hangout. Its a big mass of huge, minecraft like big black blocks.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:18 am

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Agarntrop wrote:As this is Germany they'd probably get arrested.


Actually no. Neo-Nazis are quite a thing in some parts of Berlin my local guide told me when I was there. (its been a couple of years though)

Was it Marzahn by any chance? I visited Marzahn not too long ago, it's quite a nice area, even though allegedly it has problems with Neo-Nazis...
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Postby Elwher » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:20 am

If it had been preserved, it would have been very historically significant. However, I doubt the accuracy of any reproduction as it was extensively modified, then damaged, then obliterated during the war. That being the case, I see no significence to whatever were to be created.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:21 am

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Actually no. Neo-Nazis are quite a thing in some parts of Berlin my local guide told me when I was there. (its been a couple of years though)

Was it Marzahn by any chance? I visited Marzahn not too long ago, it's quite a nice area, even though allegedly it has problems with Neo-Nazis...


I see you had a good guide too. ^^

Marzahn was the area specifically mentioned.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:23 am

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Ifreann wrote:Nah, you'd just get a load of Nazis going there and being weird.

As this is Germany they'd probably get arrested.

As this is Germany they'd get away with it until they assassinated another politician.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:23 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Was it Marzahn by any chance? I visited Marzahn not too long ago, it's quite a nice area, even though allegedly it has problems with Neo-Nazis...


I see you had a good guide too. ^^

Marzahn was the area specifically mentioned.

Nah I don't use guides, I guide myself from research I do on the internet before I go. ;)
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:24 am

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I see you had a good guide too. ^^

Marzahn was the area specifically mentioned.

Nah I don't use guides, I guide myself from research I do on the internet before I go. ;)


Back when I visited (2000s) that wasn't yet so much a thing and you had to have connections to get the good info. Supposedly though much has changed and according to my local sources the city has been overrun by Hipsters.
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Postby Eastern Denmark » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:29 am

Germany already has to deal with too many Nazis, I feel like they’d take this as some sort of sign of respect or acceptance when they very much are not accepted. I wouldn’t want to visit it and I wouldn’t want to see it recognized or preserved in any shape.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:40 am

Unfortunately, most of it was destroyed and got flooded. It is in a state that isn't suitable for renovations or restoration. It was arguably, one of the greatest hidden lairs ever built. Over time, it will sink further into the ground and be filled in with groundwater and dirt naturally over time. Without maintenance, nothing will be left of it.

You'd have better luck attempting to reconstruct a brand new replica that isn't the original, but is built to current code so far as bunkers go.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:41 am

Saiwania wrote:Unfortunately, most of it was destroyed and got flooded. It is in a state that isn't suitable for renovations or restoration. It was arguably, one of the greatest hidden lairs ever built. Over time, it will sink further into the ground and be filled in with groundwater and dirt naturally over time. Without maintenance, nothing will be left of it.

You'd have better luck attempting to reconstruct a brand new replica and isn't the original, but is built to current code so far as bunkers go.


That would, in case of doubt, probably be the more realistic and doable alternative.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:43 am

Saiwania wrote:Unfortunately, most of it was destroyed and got flooded. It is in a state that isn't suitable for renovations or restoration. It was arguably, one of the greatest hidden lairs ever built. Over time, it will sink further into the ground and be filled in with groundwater and dirt naturally over time. Without maintenance, nothing will be left of it.

You'd have better luck attempting to reconstruct a brand new replica that isn't the original, but is built to current code so far as bunkers go.

Sounds great.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:43 am

People can already visit a ditch nearby. You know, where he ended up, shot in the head, covered in petrol and on fire.
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Postby -Astoria » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:45 am

Gravlen wrote:People can already visit a ditch nearby. You know, where he ended up, shot in the head, covered in petrol and on fire.

Though he shot himself inside the bunker, and was cremated - don't think that the crematorium still exists...
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:46 am

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Gravlen wrote:People can already visit a ditch nearby. You know, where he ended up, shot in the head, covered in petrol and on fire.

Though he shot himself inside the bunker, and was cremated - don't think that the crematorium still exists...

They cremated him in the ditch outside the bunker.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:46 am

Maybe Legoland could step in.

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Postby -Astoria » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:47 am

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-Astoria wrote:Though he shot himself inside the bunker, and was cremated - don't think that the crematorium still exists...

They cremated him in the ditch outside the bunker.

My mistake: but still, I don't think that that ditch is still extant...
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:49 am

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Heloin wrote:They cremated him in the ditch outside the bunker.

My mistake: but still, I don't think that that ditch is still extant...

We can make a replica ditch with a nice sign so tourists can take selfies with that.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:51 am

It would quickly become a Neo-Nazi shrine, just like the house where Hitler was born has become in Austria. And considering there is virtually nothing left, and what would be left is under some residential areas, there is no point in pursuing this venture. Hard pass.
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Postby Page » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:53 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
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I can picture a bus load of Nazis marching onto the Führerbunker shouting FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!


People would definitely recreate the Downfall memes. I think it'd end up being a hipster hang out or become trashed by vagrants and the homeless.


I used to love the Downfall memes, but now I can speak semi-fluent German so I can no longer laugh at the fake subtitles.

Totally remember Fegelein though
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Postby -Astoria » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:54 am

Heloin wrote:
-Astoria wrote:My mistake: but still, I don't think that that ditch is still extant...

We can make a replica ditch with a nice sign so tourists can take selfies with that.

Fair point.
Or we could use the river[the Elbe] where his ashes were scattered into as a selfie spot as well.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:56 am

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People would definitely recreate the Downfall memes. I think it'd end up being a hipster hang out or become trashed by vagrants and the homeless.


I used to love the Downfall memes, but now I can speak semi-fluent German so I can no longer laugh at the fake subtitles.

Totally remember Fegelein though


Besides, that Downfall meme after the actor died was so poetically beautiful that the meme should be allowed to lie in peace. ;-;>
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:59 am

As someone living in Berlin. Nah, most of it has been destroyed. Fully rebuilding it would seriously disrupt the city centre.

And it would attract neonazis. And while it is possible to buy all the alcohol in an east German village, buying it all in Berlin is a bit much. I am trying, but I don't think I am managing :blush:
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:00 pm

-Astoria wrote:
Heloin wrote:We can make a replica ditch with a nice sign so tourists can take selfies with that.

Fair point.
Or we could use the river[the Elbe] where his ashes were scattered into as a selfie spot as well.


If I am ever get caught peeing in the Elbe, I'll use "i am pissing on Hitler's grave" as an excuse :)
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Heloin wrote:
-Astoria wrote:My mistake: but still, I don't think that that ditch is still extant...

We can make a replica ditch with a nice sign so tourists can take selfies with that.


More people obstructing traffic while I cycle to work.

Hard pass.
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