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Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:41 pm**

Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:41 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Aeritai wrote:You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

I dunno man, a good friend of mine lives in Saskatchewan and he regularly rails on the Canadian healthcare system. Sure it might be free but yikes those wait times. Good luck getting in before you die lol.

Actually, that depends on what you’re going for.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:43 pm**

Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

I didn't mean for it to be misleading I was going to add illegal, I just didn't have enough room for the title.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:43 pm**

Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

Seriously people, there’s already a program for citizens. Stop complaining about “illegals getting a free ride.”

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:45 pm**

Aeritai wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I dunno man, a good friend of mine lives in Saskatchewan and he regularly rails on the Canadian healthcare system. Sure it might be free but yikes those wait times. Good luck getting in before you die lol.

Yikes and I guess the wait time would be way worst in the United States?

Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:45 pm**

Kowani wrote:
New Lindale wrote:Not to mention how it would be against the Constitution, since the Health Care would be a right that citizens in one state would have, but no other states.
…Where in the constitution does it say that.
New Lindale wrote:For the solution with Healthcare, we don't need anything else.

New Lindale wrote:Why has everyone forgotten about Medicare and CHIP, and what happened to HSA?
HSA’s suck
I think if you want a better system, do what Texas does with Gold Card, which is quite surprising considering how their view towards similar programs are. All you have to do is if you don't have insurance, you can go to a hospital and an apply, and you can use it even for GPs.

This is Medi-Cal but in Texas.

Your link did go to a material regarding HSAs, and for question on States Rights:
Article 4, Section 2, Paragraph 1:
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:46 pm**

Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

You could always demand universal healthcare for everyone, including "legal migrants" and citizens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, undocumented immigrants tend to be hard workers too (and pay taxes), so it's not much of a "free ride".

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:47 pm**

Liriena wrote:
Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

You could always demand universal healthcare for everyone, including "legal migrants" and citizens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Of course. Which makes it even more sick that they these criminals get benefits before legal immigrants and citizens.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:47 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Yikes and I guess the wait time would be way worst in the United States?

Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.

Perhaps because Canada has a priority list, and thus things of low urgency don’t get priority.

New Lindale wrote:
Kowani wrote: …Where in the constitution does it say that.

HSA’s suck

This is Medi-Cal but in Texas.

Your link did go to a material regarding HSAs, and for question on States Rights:
Article 4, Section 2, Paragraph 1:
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:48 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

Seriously people, there’s already a program for citizens. Stop complaining about “illegals getting a free ride.”

...oof, there goes the whataboutism.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:48 pm**

Springfeal wrote:
Liriena wrote:You could always demand universal healthcare for everyone, including "legal migrants" and citizens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Of course. Which makes it even more sick that they these criminals get benefits before legal immigrants and citizens.

Except they don't?

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:49 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Yikes and I guess the wait time would be way worst in the United States?

Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.

I'm talking about if the United States implanted universal health care would the lines be longer?

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:49 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.

Perhaps because Canada has a priority list, and thus things of low urgency don’t get priority.

He described it as barely being able to walk so I imagine it would be fairly urgent but idk how the Canadian system works entirely so you could be right.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:49 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

Seriously people, there’s already a program for citizens. Stop complaining about “illegals getting a free ride.”

That is the case, but that the fact that California has so many other problems for the residents currently that have been going on for years like the drought, is what we are upset about.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:50 pm**

Liriena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Seriously people, there’s already a program for citizens. Stop complaining about “illegals getting a free ride.”

...oof, there goes the whataboutism.

It’s mildly infuriating, that’s like the 3rd time I’ve said that, and I’ve yet to get a response.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:50 pm**

Aeritai wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.

I'm talking about if the United States implanted universal health care would the lines be longer?

Oh yeah, without a doubt. Americans are horrifically unhealthy after all.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:52 pm**

Aeritai wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.

I'm talking about if the United States implanted universal health care would the lines be longer?

Yes. Because everyone would be covered. That'd dump like 32 million extra people into the system.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:52 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:Perhaps because Canada has a priority list, and thus things of low urgency don’t get priority.

He described it as barely being able to walk so I imagine it would be fairly urgent but idk how the Canadian system works entirely so you could be right.

Yeah, I don’t know enough either, at least about his particular case. I’m also not entirely sure about where anything goes on the priority scale, so…

New Lindale wrote:
Kowani wrote:Seriously people, there’s already a program for citizens. Stop complaining about “illegals getting a free ride.”

That is the case, but that the fact that California has so many other problems for the residents currently that have been going on for years like the drought, is what we are upset about.

Clearly, the drought is California’s fault. Oh, wait, no, it ended.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:55 pm**

Aeritai wrote:
Springfeal wrote:Title of the thread is misleading. These are illegal immigrants and I find it sick that California and even the federal government is bending over backwards for these criminals when all other developed countries enforce their immigration laws. My dad (who is Ethiopian) worked so hard to come to this country legally and you have these criminals that aren't supposed to be here get a free ride. Huge slap in the face to legal immigrants and real Americans. Seriously, everyone on my dad's side is pissed at these criminals.

I didn't mean for it to be misleading I was going to add illegal, I just didn't have enough room for the title.

I swear, my family and I are sick and tired of honest, hard working people like my dad, his sister, and brother being put in the same boat as these criminals. There is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. And I know quite a few other legal immigrants that are sick and tired of liberals putting in them in the same category as the criminals. It's like a huge slap in the face for them.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:57 pm**

Springfeal wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
I didn't mean for it to be misleading I was going to add illegal, I just didn't have enough room for the title.

I swear, my family and I are sick and tired of honest, hard working people like my dad, his sister, and brother being put in the same boat as these criminals. There is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. And I know quite a few other legal immigrants that are sick and tired of liberals putting in them in the same category as the criminals. It's like a huge slap in the face for them.

You’re going to be surprised when you learn that illegals work hard too.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:00 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
I swear, my family and I are sick and tired of honest, hard working people like my dad, his sister, and brother being put in the same boat as these criminals. There is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. And I know quite a few other legal immigrants that are sick and tired of liberals putting in them in the same category as the criminals. It's like a huge slap in the face for them.

You’re going to be surprised when you learn that illegals work hard too.

We do know that illegals work hard, but what we are worried about is the ones who don't. You are niaeve if you think that there no illegal immigrants whom have come to be dependant on the government, when we institute these programs.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:00 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He described it as barely being able to walk so I imagine it would be fairly urgent but idk how the Canadian system works entirely so you could be right.

Yeah, I don’t know enough either, at least about his particular case. I’m also not entirely sure about where anything goes on the priority scale, so…

New Lindale wrote:That is the case, but that the fact that California has so many other problems for the residents currently that have been going on for years like the drought, is what we are upset about.

Clearly, the drought is California’s fault. Oh, wait, no, it ended.

Tell that to the people who don't get water from their taps.

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:02 pm**

Fixed the title so it didn't look misleading sorry for the inconvenience!

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:04 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
I swear, my family and I are sick and tired of honest, hard working people like my dad, his sister, and brother being put in the same boat as these criminals. There is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. And I know quite a few other legal immigrants that are sick and tired of liberals putting in them in the same category as the criminals. It's like a huge slap in the face for them.

You’re going to be surprised when you learn that illegals work hard too.

Doesn't change the fact they are not supposed to be here and cause a lot of problems which only make things harder for legal immigrants who keep being put in the same boat as this criminals by the liberals. And these criminals are lazy. My dad, his sister, and brother were all born in rural Ethiopia in a place that didn't even have electricity or anything. But they worked hard and rose up the socio-economic ladder, got an education, and were eventually able to legally immigrate to the United States. If they can do it, anyone can. These criminals are just lazy and want a free ride.

Last I checked, most illegals are from countries more developed than Ethiopia (especially rural Ethiopia).

Posted: **Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:04 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They have a point though. Why aren’t we going to universal healthcare? We have millions of Americans suffering. Focusing on the undocumented immigrants is a non-Issue when we have millions of suffering American citizens

We can’t do universal healthcare in one state, ‘cause then you’d see everyone else try to flood it. You’d have to deal that on the National level.

Which is what I was talking about

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