California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Ifreann]

So when someone is taken to hospital for a medical emergency, they'll also be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status can be determined.

Have you considered that that would be some kind of insane police state shit?

Do they not check your ID and ask you how you're going to pay for things when you go to the hospital? That tends to be the first step unless you're literally dying on the spot.

medical emergency

[Ifreann]

I think we finally found an area you support policing and investigation. Kicking out the darkies.

Nah.

If a crime has been committed, which it obviously has if you've no ID and aren't documented anywhere, I support it being prosecuted; the same goes for if someone sees a murder in progress they should report said murder to the police. What I don't support is crime prevention measures which decrease individual liberty, like gun registration or cctv.

But police at every corner demanding your papers, that's cool.

[Salandriagado]

Because that isn't what we're talking about, as you're well aware.

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

And the Constitution enshrines treaties as binding.

Treaty made under the authority of the United States.

You're a very bad liar, you know that?

"It's a human right" is not the same as "it's legally enshrined as a right in the US".

[The Emerald Legion]

Do they not check your ID and ask you how you're going to pay for things when you go to the hospital? That tends to be the first step unless you're literally dying on the spot.

medical emergency

In which case they tend to do it after. Getting paid is pretty high on the hospitals to do list.

[Ifreann]

In which case they tend to do it after. Getting paid is pretty high on the hospitals to do list.

So as I said, people presenting with a medical emergency would, per Vakolicci's suggestion, be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status is confirmed.

[Bear Stearns]

In which case they tend to do it after. Getting paid is pretty high on the hospitals to do list.

At my bank, we've done a couple of restructuring deals on hospitals. Many of them are just hemorrhaging money are being strung along by a thread.

[Telconi]

You're a very bad liar, you know that?

"It's a human right" is not the same as "it's legally enshrined as a right in the US".

Only the latter actually matters.

[Salandriagado]

"It's a human right" is not the same as "it's legally enshrined as a right in the US".

Only the latter actually matters.

No.

[Telconi]

Only the latter actually matters.

No.

Well, yes. Because one cannot simply walk into a hospital with a copy of a UN resolution and receive treatment without payment.

Also, importantly, rather medical care is or isn't a right is irrelevant to the topic.

[Fartsniffage]

No.

Well, yes. Because one cannot simply walk into a hospital with a copy of a UN resolution and receive treatment without payment.

Also, importantly, rather medical care is or isn't a right is irrelevant to the topic.

It's central to the topic.

[Telconi]

Well, yes. Because one cannot simply walk into a hospital with a copy of a UN resolution and receive treatment without payment.

Also, importantly, rather medical care is or isn't a right is irrelevant to the topic.

It's central to the topic.

Rather this exists or not has no bearing on healthcare being a right

[Greater vakolicci haven]

In which case they tend to do it after. Getting paid is pretty high on the hospitals to do list.

So as I said, people presenting with a medical emergency would, per Vakolicci's suggestion, be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status is confirmed.

Not really:

People present with medical emergency, and get treated as normal. At that point, hospital admin team does checks: oh, they don't exist anywhere? That's odd, let's inform ICE to see if they have any record of them either.

When they don't, hospital informs ICE of discharge time so a big van can meet them outside the hospital.

[Ifreann]

So as I said, people presenting with a medical emergency would, per Vakolicci's suggestion, be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status is confirmed.

Not really:

People present with medical emergency, and get treated as normal. At that point, hospital admin team does checks: oh, they don't exist anywhere? That's odd, let's inform ICE to see if they have any record of them either.

When they don't, hospital informs ICE of discharge time so a big van can meet them outside the hospital.

How many illegal immigrants will hang around and wait to be discharged when they know that the hospital is going to rat them out to ICE? I'd say close to zero. I'd say they'll do a runner as soon as they're able.

[The Emerald Legion]

Not really:

People present with medical emergency, and get treated as normal. At that point, hospital admin team does checks: oh, they don't exist anywhere? That's odd, let's inform ICE to see if they have any record of them either.

When they don't, hospital informs ICE of discharge time so a big van can meet them outside the hospital.

How many illegal immigrants will hang around and wait to be discharged when they know that the hospital is going to rat them out to ICE? I'd say close to zero. I'd say they'll do a runner as soon as they're able.

How many are going to go to the hospital then?

[Ifreann]

How many illegal immigrants will hang around and wait to be discharged when they know that the hospital is going to rat them out to ICE? I'd say close to zero. I'd say they'll do a runner as soon as they're able.

How many are going to go to the hospital then?

More than zero.

[Salandriagado]

How many illegal immigrants will hang around and wait to be discharged when they know that the hospital is going to rat them out to ICE? I'd say close to zero. I'd say they'll do a runner as soon as they're able.

How many are going to go to the hospital then?

Again: medical emergency. You don't tend to get a choice in the matter.

[The Emerald Legion]

How many are going to go to the hospital then?

Again: medical emergency. You don't tend to get a choice in the matter.

In which case you don't tend to get a choice in when you can leave either.

[Salandriagado]

Again: medical emergency. You don't tend to get a choice in the matter.

In which case you don't tend to get a choice in when you can leave either.

Yes you do. People in hospitals tend to get better. That's rather the point.

[Ifreann]

Again: medical emergency. You don't tend to get a choice in the matter.

In which case you don't tend to get a choice in when you can leave either.

How are you proposing to stop people from getting up and walking out, once they're able to do so?

Arrest them? Exactly like I said would need to be done?

[The Emerald Legion]

In which case you don't tend to get a choice in when you can leave either.

Yes you do. People in hospitals tend to get better. That's rather the point.

Typically, they're going to be trying to find out who you are long before you are so well you can sneak out. After all, a severed leg doesn't just go away in a day.

[Vassenor]

So we're saying hospitals need to take advantage of people at their most vulnerable just to satisfy your irrational xenophobia?

[Ifreann]

Yes you do. People in hospitals tend to get better. That's rather the point.

Typically, they're going to be trying to find out who you are long before you are so well you can sneak out. After all, a severed leg doesn't just go away in a day.

You don't have to sneak out, it's a hospital, they have no authority to detain you.

[The Emerald Legion]

Typically, they're going to be trying to find out who you are long before you are so well you can sneak out. After all, a severed leg doesn't just go away in a day.

You don't have to sneak out, it's a hospital, they have no authority to detain you.

... Yes they do? It happens a lot, actually.

[Ohioan Territory]

Being human beings, illegal migrants should have a right to receive medical care when they're in serious need of it. Hospitals are not immigration authorities, and as such, they shouldn't have the right to detain anyone, nor report illegal migrants to ICE. Their job is to provide medical care. Migrants will go untreated if they fear being reported by hospitals, which is ultimately worse for everyone.

[The Emerald Legion]

Being human beings, illegal migrants should have a right to receive medical care when they're in serious need of it. Hospitals are not immigration authorities, and as such, they shouldn't have the right to detain anyone, nor report illegal migrants to ICE. Their job is to provide medical care. Migrants will go untreated if they fear being reported by hospitals, which is ultimately worse for everyone.

You don't have a right to medical care you can't pay for.