California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Salandriagado]

I've already done so several times: the government already picks up emergency bills for everybody who can't pay. There's no possibility of filtering out illegal immigrants at that point, since emergencies tend to be, well, emergencies, and don't leave time to run checks. Preventative care to stop it getting to the emergency point is orders of magnitude cheaper than the emergency bill. Thus, paying for that preventative care saves the government money.

Perhaps in the short term yes. Long term? Likely not. Because emergencies only happen so often, and while a sufficient medical emergency might get an illegal to risk discovery, unless explicitly told they can, it's unlikely they would do the same for preventive care.

Many medical emergencies don't tend to be optional: you collapse in public, someone calls an ambulance for you, and the first you know about it is when you wake up in hospital.

Not to mention you're effectively agreeing to that preventive care in perpetuity, rather than taking the hit of one emergency bill and then booting them back to their home country.

And the cost ratio is so ridiculous that it's still cheaper. Also note that I haven't said anything about not deporting people.

[Risottia]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

[Nova Cyberia]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Have fun enforcing the UDHR anywhere.

[Risottia]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

Afaik, the US Constitution dies not say "thou shalt not provide healthcare".

[Risottia]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Have fun enforcing the UDHR anywhere.

Let's start with democracies.

[Salandriagado]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

And the Constitution enshrines treaties as binding.

[Nova Cyberia]

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

Afaik, the US Constitution dies not say "thou shalt not provide healthcare".

It doesn't say "Thou shalt provide everyone with healthcare because it's a human right, homie" either.

[Nova Cyberia]

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

And the Constitution enshrines treaties as binding.

Would you like to know how many treaties the US government has broken?

Ask the Indians.

[Vassenor]

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land

Treaty made under the authority of the United States.

[Nova Cyberia]

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land

Treaty made under the authority of the United States.

And the Constitution enshrines treaties as binding.

Would you like to know how many treaties the US government has broken?

Ask the Indians.

[Ifreann]

Perhaps in the short term yes. Long term? Likely not. Because emergencies only happen so often, and while a sufficient medical emergency might get an illegal to risk discovery, unless explicitly told they can, it's unlikely they would do the same for preventive care.

Not to mention you're effectively agreeing to that preventive care in perpetuity, rather than taking the hit of one emergency bill and then booting them back to their home country.

Essentially what I suggested.

'We'll fix whatever emergency you're having, but you're going over the border when you leave here...oh and we're building a big wall to stop you wandering back over!'

So when someone is taken to hospital for a medical emergency, they'll also be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status can be determined.

Have you considered that that would be some kind of insane police state shit?

[Nova Cyberia]

Also, the UDHR is not even legally binding.

The Declaration consists of 30 articles affirming an individual's rights which, although not legally binding in themselves, have been elaborated in subsequent international treaties, economic transfers, regional human rights instruments, national constitutions, and other laws. 

[Salandriagado]

Also, the UDHR is not even legally binding.

The Declaration consists of 30 articles affirming an individual's rights which, although not legally binding in themselves, have been elaborated in subsequent international treaties, economic transfers, regional human rights instruments, national constitutions, and other laws. 

Which is irrelevant.

[Nova Cyberia]

Also, the UDHR is not even legally binding.

Which is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when two posters here are trying to wrongly treat it as a legally-binding treaty?

[Salandriagado]

Which is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when two posters here are trying to wrongly treat it as a legally-binding treaty?

Because that isn't what we're talking about, as you're well aware.

[Nova Cyberia]

How is it irrelevant when two posters here are trying to wrongly treat it as a legally-binding treaty?

Because that isn't what we're talking about, as you're well aware.

Getting healthcare isn't a benefit. It's a human right, as per UDHR (initiated, signed and ratified by the US).

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

And the Constitution enshrines treaties as binding.

Funny, here I thought the Consitution was the supreme law of the US Md not the UDHR.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land

Treaty made under the authority of the United States.

You're a very bad liar, you know that?

[Jolthig]

Good move indeed. They already pay their own share in taxes so I don't see the problem with giving them something in return. They're obviously not coming back to their home country anytime soon regardless of their immigration status.

There's a way to solve that particular issue

As in?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

There's a way to solve that particular issue

As in?

Send them back very soon?

[Jolthig]

As in?

Send them back very soon?

What else?

[Fartsniffage]

As in?

Send them back very soon?

I think we finally found an area you support policing and investigation. Kicking out the darkies.

[The Emerald Legion]

Essentially what I suggested.

'We'll fix whatever emergency you're having, but you're going over the border when you leave here...oh and we're building a big wall to stop you wandering back over!'

So when someone is taken to hospital for a medical emergency, they'll also be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status can be determined.

Have you considered that that would be some kind of insane police state shit?

Do they not check your ID and ask you how you're going to pay for things when you go to the hospital? That tends to be the first step unless you're literally dying on the spot.

[Fartsniffage]

So when someone is taken to hospital for a medical emergency, they'll also be arrested and held under guard until their citizenship status can be determined.

Have you considered that that would be some kind of insane police state shit?

Do they not check your ID and ask you how you're going to pay for things when you go to the hospital? That tends to be the first step unless you're literally dying on the spot.

Not in civilised countries....

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Do they not check your ID and ask you how you're going to pay for things when you go to the hospital? That tends to be the first step unless you're literally dying on the spot.

Not in civilised countries....

What country is more civilised than the US?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Send them back very soon?

I think we finally found an area you support policing and investigation. Kicking out the darkies.

Nah.

If a crime has been committed, which it obviously has if you've no ID and aren't documented anywhere, I support it being prosecuted; the same goes for if someone sees a murder in progress they should report said murder to the police. What I don't support is crime prevention measures which decrease individual liberty, like gun registration or cctv.