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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:45 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
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So, tell me, what does this mean:



In the context that the two available options are "work for the government" and "stop being a doctor/nurse"?


It doesn't mean that people are forced to do so, just that they shouldn't, pretty obvious really. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Cut the bullshit. Your argument is literally based on the premise that adopting universal healthcare would force them to make that decision.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:46 am

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It doesn't mean that people are forced to do so, just that they shouldn't, pretty obvious really. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Cut the bullshit. Your argument is literally based on the premise that adopting universal healthcare would force them to make that decision.


Prove it.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:47 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
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Cut the bullshit. Your argument is literally based on the premise that adopting universal healthcare would force them to make that decision.


Prove it.


It's literally in this fucking thread. Cut the bullshit.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:47 am

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Prove it.


It's literally in this fucking thread. Cut the bullshit.


Nope, try again. Go ahead and keep stomping your feet, pal. You're wrong whether you like it or not.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:50 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
It's literally in this fucking thread. Cut the bullshit.


Nope, try again. Go ahead and keep stomping your feet, pal. You're wrong whether you like it or not.


Go on then: tell us what your argument actually is. Because all you've done so far is whine about how universal healthcare is evil because it forces people to treat you for free.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:52 am

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Chernoslavia wrote:
Nope, try again. Go ahead and keep stomping your feet, pal. You're wrong whether you like it or not.


Go on then: tell us what your argument actually is. Because all you've done so far is whine about how universal healthcare is evil because it forces people to treat you for free.


Nope, my argument was in response to the claim that free healthcare is a right.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:55 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Go on then: tell us what your argument actually is. Because all you've done so far is whine about how universal healthcare is evil because it forces people to treat you for free.


Nope, my argument was in response to the claim that free healthcare is a right.


What your argument was in response to is irrelevant: the reason that you gave for it supposedly not being a right is exactly what I said above.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:59 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nope, my argument was in response to the claim that free healthcare is a right.


What your argument was in response to is irrelevant: the reason that you gave for it supposedly not being a right is exactly what I said above.


Aaaand wrong again.

Yeah, I'm not gonna continue to waste my time on this, whine all you want, at the end of the day you couldn't prove shit. Goodbye.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:59 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nope, my argument was in response to the claim that free healthcare is a right.


What your argument was in response to is irrelevant: the reason that you gave for it supposedly not being a right is exactly what I said above.

It isn't a right though, it's a product. In the UK it's one we're forced to buy whether we want it or not though.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:59 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
What your argument was in response to is irrelevant: the reason that you gave for it supposedly not being a right is exactly what I said above.


Aaaand wrong again.

Yeah, I'm not gonna continue to waste my time on this, whine all you want, at the end of the day you couldn't prove shit. Goodbye.


That's literally what you fucking said.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:01 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Aaaand wrong again.

Yeah, I'm not gonna continue to waste my time on this, whine all you want, at the end of the day you couldn't prove shit. Goodbye.


That's literally what you fucking said.


Again, can you show me where I said they are or they would be forced to work or quit their profession under universal healthcare? Last time I'm asking you.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:09 am

Good move indeed. They already pay their own share in taxes so I don't see the problem with giving them something in return. They're obviously not coming back to their home country anytime soon regardless of their immigration status.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:12 am

California offers Healthcare Benefits to Illegal Immigrants, Crazy and Ridiculous.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:13 am

Jolthig wrote:Good move indeed. They already pay their own share in taxes so I don't see the problem with giving them something in return. They're obviously not coming back to their home country anytime soon regardless of their immigration status.

There's a way to solve that particular issue
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:14 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
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That's literally what you fucking said.


Again, can you show me where I said they are or they would be forced to work or quit their profession under universal healthcare? Last time I'm asking you.


I've already answered that.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:14 am

Salandriagado wrote:
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Again, can you show me where I said they are or they would be forced to work or quit their profession under universal healthcare? Last time I'm asking you.


I've already answered that.


And it's wrong.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:15 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:California offers Healthcare Benefits to Illegal Immigrants, Crazy and Ridiculous.


No, California takes action that saves it money with literally no downside.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:15 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:California offers Healthcare Benefits to Illegal Immigrants, Crazy and Ridiculous.


No, California takes action that saves it money with literally no downside.


Mind explaining how?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:22 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:California offers Healthcare Benefits to Illegal Immigrants, Crazy and Ridiculous.


No, California takes action that saves it money with literally no downside.

They are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, not legal foreign nationals, not legal residents, not legal immigrants, they are illegal immigrants, they did not apply in their nations of origin, met the conditions all nations have and waited their turn in their nations of origin, like I did in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, they are illegal immigrants.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:23 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, California takes action that saves it money with literally no downside.

They are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, not legal foreign nationals, not legal residents, not legal immigrants, they are illegal immigrants, they did not apply in their nations of origin, met the conditions all nations have and waited their turn in their nations of origin, like I did in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, they are illegal immigrants.


So how does that make it not saving money with literally no downside?
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:25 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, California takes action that saves it money with literally no downside.


Mind explaining how?


I've already done so several times: the government already picks up emergency bills for everybody who can't pay. There's no possibility of filtering out illegal immigrants at that point, since emergencies tend to be, well, emergencies, and don't leave time to run checks. Preventative care to stop it getting to the emergency point is orders of magnitude cheaper than the emergency bill. Thus, paying for that preventative care saves the government money.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:26 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, California takes action that saves it money with literally no downside.

They are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, not legal foreign nationals, not legal residents, not legal immigrants, they are illegal immigrants, they did not apply in their nations of origin, met the conditions all nations have and waited their turn in their nations of origin, like I did in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, they are illegal immigrants.


None of which has any relevance whatsoever to any part of my post.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:They are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, not legal foreign nationals, not legal residents, not legal immigrants, they are illegal immigrants, they did not apply in their nations of origin, met the conditions all nations have and waited their turn in their nations of origin, like I did in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, they are illegal immigrants.


So how does that make it not saving money with literally no downside?

lol, Vassenor, weather it saves then money or costs them money, they are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is that easy to understand.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:27 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does that make it not saving money with literally no downside?

lol, Vassenor, weather it saves then money or costs them money, they are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is that easy to understand.


None of which has any relevance whatsoever to the post that you replied to.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:30 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does that make it not saving money with literally no downside?

lol, Vassenor, weather it saves then money or costs them money, they are illegal immigrants not legal immigrants, legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is that easy to understand.


So you're just going to keep repeating the same rhetoric over and over rather than actually attacking the point. Got it.
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