California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Bear Stearns]

Maybe if we actually provided most Americans with a livable wage then those problems would be alleviated...

And one of those ways is keeping people who depress wages, by working for less than the minimum Wage out of the county and jailing the people who hire them.

People who hire illegal immigrants should have their wealth confiscated and thrown in prison. It should be considered a high financial crime and borderline treasonous.

[Bear Stearns]

I assume you like eating fruit?

Crabs too, But if there were no illegals picking crops. The wage of the crop pickers would go up. Farmers don’t like when their crops rot, that is money being pissed away to them. the price of food would go up, but the lives of the folks who pick the crops would be better.

Why should farmers be entitled to having an artificially cheap, semi-captive labor force simply because urban Americans have grown accustomed to eating avacados regularly?

If crab and strawberry producers can't profitably compete without using illegal labor then they shouldn't be in business in the first place. I feel no sympathy for them. They're greedy fuckers.

[Ethel mermania]

Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

You know they're providing for everyone, right?

Wait, let me guess your response: "But they're stealing and using the money of hardworking Americans to pay for illegals and their poor life choices."

Not really, dreamer scholarships, Take money away from citizens scholarships. Money does not grow on trees and there is not an infinite supply on of it. Every dollar spend is a dollar not spent on something else. The technical term for this is “opportunity cost”.

[New haven america]

1. 325 million, actually, and illegal immigrants make up 11 million of the population. (Or 3% of the total population)
2. Because A. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, and B. Did you not fucking read or understand my post? Or are you just ok with abusing the lower socioeconomic classes as long as you can say "Fuck you, I got mine."

1. 300 million is what I remember. Its in the ball park.

2. Health care is not a right. You pay for it.

3. Illegal immigrants should not be mistreated, but nor should they be rewarding for breaking the law.

1. It's 325, or 326 if you look at 2019's estimates.
2. Literally every single other developed country in the world as well as multiple developing countries disagrees. Yeah, the US is getting beaten out by places like Saudi Arabia and China.
3. "So no, but actually Yes."

[New haven america]

You know they're providing for everyone, right?

Wait, let me guess your response: "But they're stealing and using the money of hardworking Americans to pay for illegals and their poor life choices."

Not really, dreamer scholarships, Take money away from citizens scholarships. Money does not grow on trees and there is not an infinite supply on of it. Every dollar spend is a dollar not spent on something else. The technical term for this is “opportunity cost”.

And the US the richest country in history. So... what's your point?

[Bear Stearns]

If your excuse for illegal immigrant labor is "hurr we get cheaper produce" then you might as well be an apologist for slavery.

[New haven america]

Maybe if we actually provided most Americans with a livable wage then those problems would be alleviated...

And one of those ways is keeping people who depress wages, by working for less than the minimum Wage out of the county and jailing the people who hire them.

Or, or, bear with me now: Raise taxes on the wealthy, redistribute the money or create greater financial opportunities for the average American, and create a system of social safety nets.

It's working in literally every other developed country, hell, places like Scandinavia/Fennoscandia (It's a fun word) have all that and are actually economically freer than the US is.

[Bear Stearns]

And one of those ways is keeping people who depress wages, by working for less than the minimum Wage out of the county and jailing the people who hire them.

Or, or, bear with me now: Raise taxes on the wealthy, redistribute the money or create greater financial opportunities for the average American, and create a system of social safety nets.

It's working in literally every other developed country, hell, places like Scandinavia/Fennoscandia (It's a fun word) have all that and are actually economically freer than the US is.

We can do both. There is a very strong reason why Bernie Sanders was against illegal immigration before he started running for president. It is very much a Koch brothers and Big Ag. conspiracy.

[Kowani]

Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

Did you even read the damn bill?

[Ifreann]

If your excuse for illegal immigrant labor is "hurr we get cheaper produce" then you might as well be an apologist for slavery.

Yeah, it's terrible that capitalists are doing a capitalism, but what can ya do?

[New haven america]

Or, or, bear with me now: Raise taxes on the wealthy, redistribute the money or create greater financial opportunities for the average American, and create a system of social safety nets.

It's working in literally every other developed country, hell, places like Scandinavia/Fennoscandia (It's a fun word) have all that and are actually economically freer than the US is.

We can do both. There is a very strong reason why Bernie Sanders was against illegal immigration before he started running for president. It is very much a Koch brothers and Big Ag. conspiracy.

Denying people the freedom of movement is never a good thing.

Hell, America and the rest of the developed nations are already almost impossible to get into, and I'd rather they not make that problem worse.

[Bear Stearns]

If your excuse for illegal immigrant labor is "hurr we get cheaper produce" then you might as well be an apologist for slavery.

Yeah, it's terrible that capitalists are doing a capitalism, but what can ya do?

Not allow some unscrupulous farmers to have an artificially cheap, semi-captive labor force and make them compete for fair labor like other industries do. If they can't stay afloat without paying people at least minimum wage then they shouldn't be in business.

And if they do stay in business by paying people below minimum wage then they should be in prison.

[Trollgaard]

We can do both. There is a very strong reason why Bernie Sanders was against illegal immigration before he started running for president. It is very much a Koch brothers and Big Ag. conspiracy.

Denying people the freedom of movement is never a good thing.

Hell, America and the rest of the developed nations are already almost impossible to get into, and I'd rather they not make that problem worse.

Why should non-citizens have the right to waltz into a country they weren't born into and expect to stay?

People have been fighting over that literally forever.

[New haven america]

If your excuse for illegal immigrant labor is "hurr we get cheaper produce" then you might as well be an apologist for slavery.

Yeah, it's terrible that capitalists are doing a capitalism, but what can ya do?

Oh no if we only we had systems in place that would stop capitalists for doing the capitalism.

Oh well, I can't worry about that now, I have my 12 hour a day job for $2.75 an hour I have to get to.

[New haven america]

Denying people the freedom of movement is never a good thing.

Hell, America and the rest of the developed nations are already almost impossible to get into, and I'd rather they not make that problem worse.

Why should non-citizens have the right to waltz into a country they weren't born into and expect to stay?

People have been fighting over that literally forever.

Why do you feel the need to kick out and demonize those who weren't lucky enough to be born in a country or have a parent(s) from said country?

[Novus America]

1. 325 million, actually, and illegal immigrants make up 11 million of the population. (Or 3% of the total population)
2. Because A. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, and B. Did you not fucking read or understand my post? Or are you just ok with abusing the lower socioeconomic classes as long as you can say "Fuck you, I got mine."

1. 300 million is what I remember. Its in the ball park.

2. Health care is not a right. You pay for it.

Illegal immigrants should not be mistreated, but nor should they be rewarding for breaking the law.

Even if it is a right, it is the duty of their government to provide it, not ours. Our government only has the duty to provide such things to our people. Not other country’s people.

[Bear Stearns]

Yeah, it's terrible that capitalists are doing a capitalism, but what can ya do?

Oh no if we only we had systems in place that would stop capitalists for doing the capitalism.

Oh well, I can't worry about that now, I have my 12 hour a day job for $2.75 an hour I have to get to.

Where in America is $2.75 an hour legal?

[Ifreann]

Yeah, it's terrible that capitalists are doing a capitalism, but what can ya do?

Not allow some unscrupulous farmers to have an artificially cheap, semi-captive labor force and make them compete for fair labor like other industries do. If they can't stay afloat without paying people at least minimum wage then they shouldn't be in business.

And if they do stay in business by paying people below minimum wage then they should be in prison.

Ban doing capitalism, you say? Mmm, interesting.

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Denying people the freedom of movement is never a good thing.

Hell, America and the rest of the developed nations are already almost impossible to get into, and I'd rather they not make that problem worse.

Why should non-citizens have the right to waltz into a country they weren't born into and expect to stay?

Because countries and rights and the waltz are just this things we made up. We can do whatever we want with them.

People have been fighting over that literally forever.

People often do silly things.

[Ethel mermania]

Not really, dreamer scholarships, Take money away from citizens scholarships. Money does not grow on trees and there is not an infinite supply on of it. Every dollar spend is a dollar not spent on something else. The technical term for this is “opportunity cost”.

And the US the richest country in history. So... what's your point?

That friendship and magic is not a viable economic system and it would be helpful if you would learn that.

[Bear Stearns]

We can do both. There is a very strong reason why Bernie Sanders was against illegal immigration before he started running for president. It is very much a Koch brothers and Big Ag. conspiracy.

Denying people the freedom of movement is never a good thing.

Hell, America and the rest of the developed nations are already almost impossible to get into, and I'd rather they not make that problem worse.

Do you care more about the denying some people the freedom of movement to the benefit of the rest of the country or lining the pockets of greedy agribusinesses?

[Telconi]

Yeah, it's terrible that capitalists are doing a capitalism, but what can ya do?

Oh no if we only we had systems in place that would stop capitalists for doing the capitalism.

Oh well, I can't worry about that now, I have my 12 hour a day job for $2.75 an hour I have to get to.

Make America Feudal Again.

[Trollgaard]

Why should non-citizens have the right to waltz into a country they weren't born into and expect to stay?

People have been fighting over that literally forever.

Why do you feel the need to kick out and demonize those who weren't lucky enough to be born in a country or have a parent(s) from said country?

I'm not demonizing them. They simply have no right to be here unless welcomed. I'm all for people immigrating and improving their lives, but not just waltzing in and ignoring the rules.

Borders are real. People don't like others encroaching on their territory.

[Ifreann]

And the US the richest country in history. So... what's your point?

That friendship and magic is not a viable economic system and it would be helpful if you would learn that.

Redistributing the wealth is magic.

[Bear Stearns]

Not allow some unscrupulous farmers to have an artificially cheap, semi-captive labor force and make them compete for fair labor like other industries do. If they can't stay afloat without paying people at least minimum wage then they shouldn't be in business.

And if they do stay in business by paying people below minimum wage then they should be in prison.

Ban doing capitalism, you say? Mmm, interesting.

Basic labor rights and minimum wage laws are the same as banning capitalism?

I've been fairly consistent in my views regarding regulation, but I am a strong believer in private property and a market economy.

[Novus America]

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

I assume you like eating fruit?

The companies could hire legal seasonal workers. We have a program for that. Companies being to lazy and sleazy to fill out the proper paperwork is not sufficient justification.