California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Fartsniffage]

Powers, not rights. It's literally right there in the Constitution. The states have the powers not delegated to the federal government.

Regardless the US is not a unitary state where the government can unilaterally do whatever it wants.

I never said it was. I simply said that States don't have rights. The have powers.

[Ifreann]

It's almost like this is all being done to cause pain and suffering in the hopes of deterring other immigrants.

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Know what's great about governments? When they're democratic. That way if you need a hospital in your area you can tell the government to build you one and since the government does what you say, they'll build you a hospital.

Not in this country, most new hospitals built are ether charities or not for profits

Maybe you should make your country be good.

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It's almost like this is all being done to cause pain and suffering in the hopes of deterring other immigrants.

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Know what's great about governments? When they're democratic. That way if you need a hospital in your area you can tell the government to build you one and since the government does what you say, they'll build you a hospital.

The government does what I say?

Have you ever considered a career in comedy?

I said that democratic governments do what you say. You live in America, so YMMV.

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Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

Nah. Help everyone who needs help as best you can.

[New haven america]

How fucking stupid is this?!

How the fuck to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS get access to public services, period? This is absolutely ludicrous.

Shame on you California. Way to keep drawing more and more illegals into and already overburdened state.

Maybe because socioeconomic problems won't get fixed if you keep ignoring and abusing the lowest rungs of American society. Inclusivity is generally better than exclusivity.

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

[Fartsniffage]

Powers, not rights. It's literally right there in the Constitution. The states have the powers not delegated to the federal government.

So much for the wiki article and federalist papers eh? Anyway In American political theory it has always been called states rights

From the wiki


In American political discourse, states' rights are political powers held for the state governments rather than the federal government according to the United States Constitution, reflecting especially the enumerated powers of Congress and the Tenth Amendment. The enumerated powers that are listed in the Constitution include exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are contrasted with the reserved powers—also called states' rights—that only the states possess

Now find a similar commentary discussing the situation from a legal point of view.

[Ethel mermania]

Not in this country, most new hospitals built are ether charities or not for profits

Maybe you should make your country be good.

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The government does what I say?

Have you ever considered a career in comedy?

I said that democratic governments do what you say. You live in America, so YMMV.

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Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

Nah. Help everyone who needs help as best you can.

Our country is good, which is why those people are coming over here, as opposed to where you live.

[Bear Stearns]

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

[Fartsniffage]

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

I assume you like eating fruit?

[Trollgaard]

How fucking stupid is this?!

How the fuck to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS get access to public services, period? This is absolutely ludicrous.

Shame on you California. Way to keep drawing more and more illegals into and already overburdened state.

Maybe because socioeconomic problems won't get fixed if you keep ignoring and abusing the lowest rungs of American society. Inclusivity is generally better than exclusivity.

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

The very fact that they are illegal immigrants makes it crystal clear they they do not deserve public benefits. The are 300 million americans...we dont' need more. The are US citizens without health care.

Why in the FUCK are we providing healthcare to non-citizens? This is ridiculous and a slap in the face to every tax paying Californian and American.

What a fucking joke.

[Ethel mermania]

So much for the wiki article and federalist papers eh? Anyway In American political theory it has always been called states rights

From the wiki


In American political discourse, states' rights are political powers held for the state governments rather than the federal government according to the United States Constitution, reflecting especially the enumerated powers of Congress and the Tenth Amendment. The enumerated powers that are listed in the Constitution include exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are contrasted with the reserved powers—also called states' rights—that only the states possess

Now find a similar commentary discussing the situation from a legal point of view.

Nah, if you dont want to understand how Americans understand their political processes, that’s on you. You can do the google as well as i. It has been called states rights since the colonial period.

[Bear Stearns]

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

I assume you like eating fruit?

I do, but my enjoyment of fruit should not be countenanced on the fact that the reason why it is so cheap is because it was harvest by near-slaves.

I don't see why farmers should be allowed to have an essentially captive workforce for less than fair market value simply because Americans have grown accustomed to having strawberries and avacados as a regular part of their diet.

[New haven america]

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

Do you not eat fruit or vegetables?

Yes, it is fucked up, but this is the problem with excluding illegal immigrants from the protections and (Shrinking) opportunities of citizens and legal immigrants. This is why California's new law is good, because it's providing protections to an abused segment of the American population.

[Blue Dinosaurs]

I said that democratic governments do what you say. You live in America, so YMMV.

There are no democratic governments. Most so-called democracies are representative republics. They don't do what you say. If you're not happy you can vote in someone else who claims they'll do what you say. But once they're in office, they tell you to get stuffed, and you have to find someone else who promises the right things.

[Ethel mermania]

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

I assume you like eating fruit?

Crabs too, But if there were no illegals picking crops. The wage of the crop pickers would go up. Farmers don’t like when their crops rot, that is money being pissed away to them. the price of food would go up, but the lives of the folks who pick the crops would be better.

[Trollgaard]

I assume you like eating fruit?

I do, but my enjoyment of fruit should not be countenanced on the fact that the reason why it is so cheap is because it was harvest by near-slaves.

I don't see why farmers should be allowed to have an essentially captive workforce for less than fair market value simply because Americans have grown accustomed to having strawberries and avacados as a regular part of their diet.

Well, most farming is corporate farming these days.

[New haven america]

Maybe because socioeconomic problems won't get fixed if you keep ignoring and abusing the lowest rungs of American society. Inclusivity is generally better than exclusivity.

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

1. The very fact that they are illegal immigrants makes it crystal clear they they do not deserve public benefits. The are 300 million americans...we dont' need more. The are US citizens without health care.

2. Why in the FUCK are we providing healthcare to non-citizens? This is ridiculous and a slap in the face to every tax paying Californian and American.

What a fucking joke.

1. 325 million, actually, and illegal immigrants make up 11 million of the population. (Or 3% of the total population)
2. Because A. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, and B. Did you not fucking read or understand my post? Or are you just ok with abusing the lower socioeconomic classes as long as you can say "Fuck you, I got mine."

[New haven america]

I assume you like eating fruit?

Crabs too, But if there were no illegals picking crops. The wage of the crop pickers would go up. Farmers don’t like when their crops rot, that is money being pissed away to them. the price of food would go up, but the lives of the folks who pick the crops would be better.

Maybe if we actually provided most Americans with a livable wage then those problems would be alleviated...

[Telconi]

Not in this country, most new hospitals built are ether charities or not for profits

Maybe you should make your country be good.

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The government does what I say?

Have you ever considered a career in comedy?

I said that democratic governments do what you say. You live in America, so YMMV.

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Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

Nah. Help everyone who needs help as best you can.

I'm pretty sure a government which explicitly obeys the commands of a single person is not at all Democratic.

[Necroghastia]

Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

Did you stop to think that maybe they're doing that?

[Trollgaard]

1. The very fact that they are illegal immigrants makes it crystal clear they they do not deserve public benefits. The are 300 million americans...we dont' need more. The are US citizens without health care.

2. Why in the FUCK are we providing healthcare to non-citizens? This is ridiculous and a slap in the face to every tax paying Californian and American.

What a fucking joke.

1. 325 million, actually, and illegal immigrants make up 11 million of the population. (Or 3% of the total population)
2. Because A. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, and B. Did you not fucking read or understand my post? Or are you just ok with abusing the lower socioeconomic classes as long as you can say "Fuck you, I got mine."

1. 300 million is what I remember. Its in the ball park.

2. Health care is not a right. You pay for it.

Illegal immigrants should not be mistreated, but nor should they be rewarding for breaking the law.

[Ethel mermania]

Crabs too, But if there were no illegals picking crops. The wage of the crop pickers would go up. Farmers don’t like when their crops rot, that is money being pissed away to them. the price of food would go up, but the lives of the folks who pick the crops would be better.

Maybe if we actually provided most Americans with a livable wage then those problems would be alleviated...

And one of those ways is keeping people who depress wages, by working for less than the minimum Wage out of the county and jailing the people who hire them.

[Trollgaard]

Maybe if we actually provided most Americans with a livable wage then those problems would be alleviated...

And one of those ways is keeping people who depress wages out of the county and jailing the people who hire them.

Seems fair to me.

[Necroghastia]

1. 325 million, actually, and illegal immigrants make up 11 million of the population. (Or 3% of the total population)
2. Because A. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, and B. Did you not fucking read or understand my post? Or are you just ok with abusing the lower socioeconomic classes as long as you can say "Fuck you, I got mine."

1. 300 million is what I remember. Its in the ball park.

2. Health care is not a right. You pay for it.

Illegal immigrants should not be mistreated, but nor should they be rewarding for breaking the law.

Just because it's something that is given caveats if not denied outright does not make it not a right.

[Ifreann]

Maybe you should make your country be good.

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I said that democratic governments do what you say. You live in America, so YMMV.

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Nah. Help everyone who needs help as best you can.

Our country is good, which is why those people are coming over here, as opposed to where you live.

Also it's a bit far to swim.

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Maybe because socioeconomic problems won't get fixed if you keep ignoring and abusing the lowest rungs of American society. Inclusivity is generally better than exclusivity.

And don't be fooled, there are enough illegal immigrants here doing jobs that regular Americans don't want to do that they've become an important part of American society.

The very fact that they are illegal immigrants makes it crystal clear they they do not deserve public benefits. The are 300 million americans...we dont' need more. The are US citizens without health care.

Why in the FUCK are we providing healthcare to non-citizens? This is ridiculous and a slap in the face to every tax paying Californian and American.

What a fucking joke.

Providing healthcare to people without regard for their citizenship is good, actually.

[Bear Stearns]

Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that arguably wouldn't exist or be extremely different if not the for the fact they can command below fair market wages, which is extremely fucked up.

Do you not eat fruit or vegetables?

Yes, it is fucked up, but this is the problem with excluding illegal immigrants from the protections and (Shrinking) opportunities of citizens and legal immigrants. This is why California's new law is good, because it's providing protections to an abused segment of the American population.

I do eat fruit. I just do not think it makes economic or moral sense that the only way to get it in this country is to get it from what is basically slave labor. We would be better off in the long-term not having such an artificially cheap labor force and having farmers actually pay fair market value for their laborers.

What would be the effects of this? Well, wages would rise for these jobs, meaning that Americans would be more likely to take them, and with Americans taking these jobs comes the Department of Labor to ensure proper conditions, meaning these jobs aren't horrid, backbreaking labor anymore.

Higher prices for produce would mean that farmers would downsize or automate, which would mean that many of the jobs illegal immigrants were doing in the first places would vanish, showing how artificial they really were to begin with. For consumers, the rise in prices would be off set by imports, as farmers are now forced to compete on level playing field.

Also the US produce industry shouldn't be as big as it is and is basically the reason for desertification in California.

[New haven america]

Provide for our citizens first, then anybody else if we have the resources to spare.

You know they're providing for everyone, right?

Wait, let me guess your response: "But they're stealing and using the money of hardworking Americans to pay for illegals and their poor life choices."