California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Kowani]

That unless you eliminate the push factors, you’re just gonna keep seeing the same thing.

We have already provide foreign aid to these countries - foreign aid that gets pissed away by their corrupt governments.

Considering that Honduras saw a 30% reduction in their murder rate thanks to US foreign aid, you might wanna get better rhetoric.

Unless you want us to annex them or turn them into colonies, there's not much we can do about that.

Though annexing Mexico is a good idea, tbh.

Then you’d have the same problems they do, but you wouldn’t be able to turn them away at the border.

So, their kids will come instead.


A question. When your parents came in, where did they have to wait?

(Also, Trump’s cutting the ways people can legally immigrate.)

It wasn't both my parents. Just my dad and two of his siblings. They waited in Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia.

And what was the crime rate there?

[Salandriagado]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19766.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 78886.html
You see, when you defin 'Universal Health Care' you actually mean nationalisation, which is we are trying avoid here in America. I am so tired of people saying we don't have social programs when we do. They just don't dominate out health system, and paiteints and medical profesionals alike wish to keep it that way.

You realise that both of those are vastly better than in the US, right? Tell me, what's the wait time for free, non-emergency treatment in the US? Oh yes, it's infinite. And how long will the US government keep your obviously terminal child on life support for no purpose for free? Oh yes, not a minute.

[Salandriagado]

Seriously, budget cuts. The reason you hear all these horror stories about the NHS is because it doesn’t get enough funding.

Also, Citations needed.

Fair enough. Somehow one problem seems to run through y'alls minds, the fact of geography and the population of the US. How do you expect our government, whom has had a defecit for nearly 200 years mind you, afford such a system? How do you expect us to produce nearly $7.5 trillion dollars!?

Size is not an argument: sure, the US has more pople to cover, but it also has more than proportionally more money to spend.

Also, it would save money: the US government already spends more per capita on covering emergency bills for people who can't pay than the UK government does on the NHS.

[New Lindale]

Then send their kids home to their family members. Or put them in foster care.

Fun fact: A large number of the lone kids in the Concentration Camps already have family sponsors in the US that ICE keeps dragging their feet about releasing them to.

So you've never heard of parents renting their children or human traffickers? Some girls are raped along the way and having to be administered pregnancy tests.

[Thermodolia]

The government pays a base of 60%-70% of the bill while private insurance companies pick up the rest/out of pocket.

The three most efficient healthcare systems are all multi-payer systems. Germany, the Swiss, and the US.

How are you defining most efficient?

Low wait times and quick turn around. You can get in and out of a doctors office in the US in half the time it takes to even get seen in Canada.

[Nova Cyberia]

We have already provide foreign aid to these countries - foreign aid that gets pissed away by their corrupt governments.

Considering that Honduras saw a 30% reduction in their murder rate thanks to US foreign aid, you might wanna get better rhetoric.

Perhaps you could actually provide a source.

Unless you want us to annex them or turn them into colonies, there's not much we can do about that.

Though annexing Mexico is a good idea, tbh.

Then you’d have the same problems they do, but you wouldn’t be able to turn them away at the border.

Not really. A lot of Mexico's problems with crime are due to their police forces being pathetically underfunded.

[Thermodolia]

We can do both. We spend way too fucking much on healthcare as is. We obviously need to change the system as we aren’t getting our ROI.

Besides taxes can go up. And if the rich try to flee will just arrest them and seize everything

Doesn’t matter if they try to flee. Taxes are based on citizenship, not location.

Tax evasion is still a thing mate. So are offshore banks. Which was my main point

[Fartsniffage]

How are you defining most efficient?

Low wait times and quick turn around. You can get in and out of a doctors office in the US in half the time it takes to even get seen in Canada.

Doesn't that depend on the type of appointment? Basically, what is your source.

[New Lindale]

How are you defining most efficient?

Low wait times and quick turn around. You can get in and out of a doctors office in the US in half the time it takes to even get seen in Canada.

I do aggree with most of those advocating for reform, but not in the way that would effectively change the system entirely. UHS would effectively get rid of all competition, and that would close a lot hospitals that serve rural communities.
Guess what, then we end up with what happens in California where the health care we were told we Americans pay for that is our right, ends up going to anyone who wants to cross into the border. That is also why I am opposed, with the way the party promising this plan has been going, I am not sure that the right they keep ensuring to fight for, will be for me.

[Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that this is probably giving more fuel for those in more Republican parts of Northern California to try to create there own State of Jefferson


For those who don't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

Yeah I'm sure California won't let that happen and I'm pretty sure the US is not ready for a 51st state.

Oh, yeah I know that California and pretty much the entire United States will not let or probably won’t let that happen. Whether the US is ready for a 51st state is another topic entirely. What I was trying to say was that California giving illegal immigrants healthcare benefits is probably just going to make the republicans in Northern California mad and give them another reason to try and create their unlikely state.

[Fartsniffage]

Low wait times and quick turn around. You can get in and out of a doctors office in the US in half the time it takes to even get seen in Canada.

I do aggree with most of those advocating for reform, but not in the way that would effectively change the system entirely. UHS would effectively get rid of all competition, and that would close a lot hospitals that serve rural communities.
Guess what, then we end up with what happens in California where the health care we were told we Americans pay for that is our right, ends up going to anyone who wants to cross into the border. That is also why I am opposed, with the way the party promising this plan has been going, I am not sure that the right they keep ensuring to fight for, will be for me.

Why would it close rural hospitals? The whole point of a single payer system is that everyone pays in and everyone gets healthcare. Since it's not for profit funds can be transferred from wealthy areas to poor areas.

[Luziyca]

Let's hope this is a first step towards universal healthcare for all.

[The Emerald Legion]

Then send their kids home to their family members. Or put them in foster care.

Fun fact: A large number of the lone kids in the Concentration Camps already have family sponsors in the US that ICE keeps dragging their feet about releasing them to.

It's almost like we have no idea who the kids are and who their actual family is.

[Telconi]

I do aggree with most of those advocating for reform, but not in the way that would effectively change the system entirely. UHS would effectively get rid of all competition, and that would close a lot hospitals that serve rural communities.
Guess what, then we end up with what happens in California where the health care we were told we Americans pay for that is our right, ends up going to anyone who wants to cross into the border. That is also why I am opposed, with the way the party promising this plan has been going, I am not sure that the right they keep ensuring to fight for, will be for me.

Why would it close rural hospitals? The whole point of a single payer system is that everyone pays in and everyone gets healthcare. Since it's not for profit funds can be transferred from wealthy areas to poor areas.

Why do rural roads not get paved? Why do rural assistance programs not get funding? Why do rural schools not have enough busses?

[Fartsniffage]

Why would it close rural hospitals? The whole point of a single payer system is that everyone pays in and everyone gets healthcare. Since it's not for profit funds can be transferred from wealthy areas to poor areas.

Why do rural roads not get paved? Why do rural assistance programs not get funding? Why do rural schools not have enough busses?

A lack of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

[Telconi]

Why do rural roads not get paved? Why do rural assistance programs not get funding? Why do rural schools not have enough busses?

A lack of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

Those dastardly layabouts.

[Kowani]

Considering that Honduras saw a 30% reduction in their murder rate thanks to US foreign aid, you might wanna get better rhetoric.

Perhaps you could actually provide a source.

Sure.

[Novus America]

We have already provide foreign aid to these countries - foreign aid that gets pissed away by their corrupt governments.

Considering that Honduras saw a 30% reduction in their murder rate thanks to US foreign aid, you might wanna get better rhetoric.

Unless you want us to annex them or turn them into colonies, there's not much we can do about that.

Though annexing Mexico is a good idea, tbh.

Then you’d have the same problems they do, but you wouldn’t be able to turn them away at the border.

It wasn't both my parents. Just my dad and two of his siblings. They waited in Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia.

And what was the crime rate there?

The aid to Honduras only worked by bypassing their government altogether.
Which also proves the US can provide better security. If the US took over Mexico no doubt the security situation there would drastically improve.

Your example proves they are better off with the US providing the security.

[The Emerald Legion]

We can do both. We spend way too fucking much on healthcare as is. We obviously need to change the system as we aren’t getting our ROI.

Besides taxes can go up. And if the rich try to flee will just arrest them and seize everything

Doesn’t matter if they try to flee. Taxes are based on citizenship, not location.

Errr actually taxes in part are based on location. Have you never paid taxes?

[Kowani]

Doesn’t matter if they try to flee. Taxes are based on citizenship, not location.

Errr actually taxes in part are based on location. Have you never paid taxes?

State taxes, sure. Federal, no.

[New Lindale]

Why would it close rural hospitals? The whole point of a single payer system is that everyone pays in and everyone gets healthcare. Since it's not for profit funds can be transferred from wealthy areas to poor areas.

Why do rural roads not get paved? Why do rural assistance programs not get funding? Why do rural schools not have enough busses?

You have to think about what will happen after implimentation. Once the government has the the burden of this budget, they have to prioritise where to put hospitals, and inevitably rural communities will be made less of a priority. This is also why I am concerned, the elederly who we told we would take care of, now have less support, while we are providing health coverage to young illegal immigrants. The old person needs it more than the immigrant, and this is even more so since the coverage of the immigrants is until 25, which is peak physical health.

[Novus America]

Fair enough. Somehow one problem seems to run through y'alls minds, the fact of geography and the population of the US. How do you expect our government, whom has had a defecit for nearly 200 years mind you, afford such a system? How do you expect us to produce nearly $7.5 trillion dollars!?

Size is not an argument: sure, the US has more pople to cover, but it also has more than proportionally more money to spend.

Also, it would save money: the US government already spends more per capita on covering emergency bills for people who can't pay than the UK government does on the NHS.

In size, population and economic size the US is much closer to the EU than say the UK.
The EU does not have a single healthcare system.

A system in the a US could have the federal government coordinating funding and minimum standards but actually implementing should be decentralized.

[The Emerald Legion]

Errr actually taxes in part are based on location. Have you never paid taxes?

State taxes, sure. Federal, no.

Errr. No. Federal taxes too. If you earn an Income working overseas, you get a $102,000 tax credit. You can also deduct taxes paid to a foreign state from your federal income taxes.

[Kowani]

Size is not an argument: sure, the US has more pople to cover, but it also has more than proportionally more money to spend.

Also, it would save money: the US government already spends more per capita on covering emergency bills for people who can't pay than the UK government does on the NHS.

In size, population and economic size the US is much closer to the EU than say the UK.
The EU does not have a single healthcare system.

A system in the a US could have the federal government coordinating funding and minimum standards but actually implementing should be decentralized.

The EU is also 28 different countries.

[Springfeal]

We have already provide foreign aid to these countries - foreign aid that gets pissed away by their corrupt governments.

Considering that Honduras saw a 30% reduction in their murder rate thanks to US foreign aid, you might wanna get better rhetoric.

Unless you want us to annex them or turn them into colonies, there's not much we can do about that.

Though annexing Mexico is a good idea, tbh.

Then you’d have the same problems they do, but you wouldn’t be able to turn them away at the border.

It wasn't both my parents. Just my dad and two of his siblings. They waited in Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia.

And what was the crime rate there?

According to them it was a perpetual nightmare with heavy crime and insurgent activity. Mind you, the country was in civil war at the time and nowhere was truly safe. Of course it was better than some other parts of the country.