California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Kowani]

The NHS has been underfunded for the past few decades.


They’d just come back.

And from an economic standpoint, that’s untrue.

Put them in jail if they come back.

So, their kids will come instead.

Well that’s nice, but that’s not an option for most people.

Except it is. It all goes to show that as long as you are not too lazy to work hard to get the qualifications you need and have no ties with criminal organizations or violent groups, then you can legally immigrate

A question. When your parents came in, where did they have to wait?

(Also, Trump’s cutting the ways people can legally immigrate.)

[Novus America]

Well that is closer to what I would support then. The government should cover the minimum basic healthcare needs of its citizens and permanent residents (but only at most emergency care for those who are not citizens and permanent residents) but people should be able buy and maintain additional private insurance if they choose.

Though I would only require each state to provide basic care for those who do not otherwise have it, I would leave the actual implementation up to the state (a state could use some sort of private exchange system, a government owned system or combination as it felt best).

Would it blow your mind if I said I used to have full private healthcare coverage for the princely sum of £26 per month?

Was it mostly subsidized by your insurer?
Does sound pretty cheap though.

Certainly the US healthcare system needs improvement.
I am not one of these “government funded care is ebul socialism” types.
Looks like we could look at aspects of the UK system to create the details for our own although I would not wholesale copy it.

[Telconi]

Seriously, budget cuts. The reason you hear all these horror stories about the NHS is because it doesn’t get enough funding.

Also, Citations needed.

Especially when one is an edge case that is really just a case of the kid's parents refusing to listen when every medical professional told them their son's case was terminal.

That's the problem.

[New Lindale]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19766.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 78886.html
You see, when you defin 'Universal Health Care' you actually mean nationalisation, which is we are trying avoid here in America. I am so tired of people saying we don't have social programs when we do. They just don't dominate out health system, and paiteints and medical profesionals alike wish to keep it that way.

Seriously, budget cuts. The reason you hear all these horror stories about the NHS is because it doesn’t get enough funding.

Also, Citations needed.

Fair enough. Somehow one problem seems to run through y'alls minds, the fact of geography and the population of the US. How do you expect our government, whom has had a defecit for nearly 200 years mind you, afford such a system? How do you expect us to produce nearly $7.5 trillion dollars!?

[Fartsniffage]

Would it blow your mind if I said I used to have full private healthcare coverage for the princely sum of £26 per month?

Was it mostly subsidized by your insurer?
Does sound pretty cheap though.

Certainly the US healthcare system needs improvement.
I am not one of these “government funded care is ebul socialism” types.
Looks like we could look at aspects of the UK system to create the details for our own although I would not wholesale copy it.

Nope. That was just what it cost me. Bupa if you want to check it out.

[The Provincial Union of the Pacific]

As a kind of in-depth note I see this as bringing more incentive to people crossing the border because now they get free care.

Secondly, I believe the United States should prioritise on assisting the people to get better healthcare rather than non-citizens or non-residents, the U.S. has repeatedly turned down petitions to provide free/assisted health care benefits to people who are within the nation such as families of military, who very well need it, and rather just offer it away to people who haven't done anything to deserve it yet.

It can be frustrating to attempt to understand but it is what they thought was right and I won't fight them, the United States is still an amazing country even if they adopted this federally.

Thanks for reading and I do not intend on offending anyone, I stated an opinion that I do not personally hold right or wrong morally, it is something that came to mind immediately when learning of this.

Have a fantastic day, week, month, season, year!

[Nova Cyberia]

Put them in jail if they come back.

So, their kids will come instead.

Except it is. It all goes to show that as long as you are not too lazy to work hard to get the qualifications you need and have no ties with criminal organizations or violent groups, then you can legally immigrate

A question. When your parents came in, where did they have to wait?

(Also, Trump’s cutting the ways people can legally immigrate.)

Then send their kids home to their family members. Or put them in foster care.

[New Lindale]

As a kind of in-depth note I see this as bringing more incentive to people crossing the border because now they get free care.

Secondly, I believe the United States should prioritise on assisting the people to get better healthcare rather than non-citizens or non-residents, the U.S. has repeatedly turned down petitions to provide free/assisted health care benefits to people who are within the nation such as families of military, who very well need it, and rather just offer it away to people who haven't done anything to deserve it yet.

It can be frustrating to attempt to understand but it is what they thought was right and I won't fight them, the United States is still an amazing country even if they adopted this federally.

Thanks for reading and I do not intend on offending anyone, I stated an opinion that I do not personally hold right or wrong morally, it is something that came to mind immediately when learning of this.

Have a fantastic day, week, month, season, year!

I agree to this notion and actually reminds of another reason UHS would not work here, because it was already tried. Has anyone heard of the disaster the VA was?

[Kowani]

Seriously, budget cuts. The reason you hear all these horror stories about the NHS is because it doesn’t get enough funding.

Also, Citations needed.

Fair enough. Somehow one problem seems to run through y'alls minds, the fact of geography and the population of the US. How do you expect our government, whom has had a defecit for nearly 200 years mind you, afford such a system? How do you expect us to produce nearly $7.5 trillion dollars!?

We had a budget surplus under Clinton.

Also, taxation.

So, their kids will come instead.


A question. When your parents came in, where did they have to wait?

(Also, Trump’s cutting the ways people can legally immigrate.)

Then send their kids home to their family members. Or put them in foster care.

You’re missing the fundamental pattern here.

[Nova Cyberia]

Fair enough. Somehow one problem seems to run through y'alls minds, the fact of geography and the population of the US. How do you expect our government, whom has had a defecit for nearly 200 years mind you, afford such a system? How do you expect us to produce nearly $7.5 trillion dollars!?

We had a budget surplus under Clinton.

Also, taxation.

Then send their kids home to their family members. Or put them in foster care.

You’re missing the fundamental pattern here.

Then perhaps instead of engaging in this sophistry you could just state your point upfront.

[Kowani]

As a kind of in-depth note I see this as bringing more incentive to people crossing the border because now they get free care.

Secondly, I believe the United States should prioritise on assisting the people to get better healthcare rather than non-citizens or non-residents, the U.S. has repeatedly turned down petitions to provide free/assisted health care benefits to people who are within the nation such as families of military, who very well need it, and rather just offer it away to people who haven't done anything to deserve it yet.

It can be frustrating to attempt to understand but it is what they thought was right and I won't fight them, the United States is still an amazing country even if they adopted this federally.

Thanks for reading and I do not intend on offending anyone, I stated an opinion that I do not personally hold right or wrong morally, it is something that came to mind immediately when learning of this.

Have a fantastic day, week, month, season, year!

I agree to this notion and actually reminds of another reason UHS would not work here, because it was already tried. Has anyone heard of the disaster the VA was?

Interesting that the people who use it rate it so high.

[Vassenor]

So, their kids will come instead.


A question. When your parents came in, where did they have to wait?

(Also, Trump’s cutting the ways people can legally immigrate.)

Then send their kids home to their family members. Or put them in foster care.

Fun fact: A large number of the lone kids in the Concentration Camps already have family sponsors in the US that ICE keeps dragging their feet about releasing them to.

[Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that this is probably giving more fuel for those in more Republican parts of Northern California to try to create there own State of Jefferson


For those who don't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

[Thermodolia]

German System is best system

I must admit healthcare is probably the one thing I'm not very well read on nowadays. What exactly is the German system?

The government pays a base of 60%-70% of the bill while private insurance companies pick up the rest/out of pocket.

The three most efficient healthcare systems are all multi-payer systems. Germany, the Swiss, and the US.

[Nova Cyberia]

I must admit healthcare is probably the one thing I'm not very well read on nowadays. What exactly is the German system?

The government pays a base of 60%-70% of the bill while private insurance companies pick up the rest/out of pocket.

The three most efficient healthcare systems are all multi-payer systems. Germany, the Swiss, and the US.

The Chad Multi-Payer vs The Virgin Single-Payer

[Thermodolia]

Why can’t we worry about healthcare and infrastructure? Why can’t we do both?

Because the country is severly in debt, and can only do so much with it's taxdollars, especially since a lot of people are leaving California. Unless I was also hearing about plans to fix the roads, I would be less concerned. Also, you have to think about scale.

We can do both. We spend way too fucking much on healthcare as is. We obviously need to change the system as we aren’t getting our ROI.

Besides taxes can go up. And if the rich try to flee will just arrest them and seize everything

[Kowani]

We had a budget surplus under Clinton.

Also, taxation.


You’re missing the fundamental pattern here.

Then perhaps instead of engaging in this sophistry you could just state your point upfront.

That unless you eliminate the push factors, you’re just gonna keep seeing the same thing.

[Thermodolia]

You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

The Canadian Example is One of the reasons we dont want it.

Single Payer =/= universal healthcare

[Washington Resistance Army]

I must admit healthcare is probably the one thing I'm not very well read on nowadays. What exactly is the German system?

The government pays a base of 60%-70% of the bill while private insurance companies pick up the rest/out of pocket.

The three most efficient healthcare systems are all multi-payer systems. Germany, the Swiss, and the US.

That def seems the best to me personally.

[Fartsniffage]

I must admit healthcare is probably the one thing I'm not very well read on nowadays. What exactly is the German system?

The government pays a base of 60%-70% of the bill while private insurance companies pick up the rest/out of pocket.

The three most efficient healthcare systems are all multi-payer systems. Germany, the Swiss, and the US.

How are you defining most efficient?

[Aeritai]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that this is probably giving more fuel for those in more Republican parts of Northern California to try to create there own State of Jefferson


For those who don't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

Yeah I'm sure California won't let that happen and I'm pretty sure the US is not ready for a 51st state.

[Nova Cyberia]

Then perhaps instead of engaging in this sophistry you could just state your point upfront.

That unless you eliminate the push factors, you’re just gonna keep seeing the same thing.

We have already provide foreign aid to these countries - foreign aid that gets pissed away by their corrupt governments. Unless you want us to annex them or turn them into colonies, there's not much we can do about that.

Though annexing Mexico is a good idea, tbh.

[Springfeal]

Put them in jail if they come back.

So, their kids will come instead.

Except it is. It all goes to show that as long as you are not too lazy to work hard to get the qualifications you need and have no ties with criminal organizations or violent groups, then you can legally immigrate

A question. When your parents came in, where did they have to wait?

(Also, Trump’s cutting the ways people can legally immigrate.)

It wasn't both my parents. Just my dad and two of his siblings. They waited in Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia.

[Kowani]

Because the country is severly in debt, and can only do so much with it's taxdollars, especially since a lot of people are leaving California. Unless I was also hearing about plans to fix the roads, I would be less concerned. Also, you have to think about scale.

We can do both. We spend way too fucking much on healthcare as is. We obviously need to change the system as we aren’t getting our ROI.

Besides taxes can go up. And if the rich try to flee will just arrest them and seize everything

Doesn’t matter if they try to flee. Taxes are based on citizenship, not location.

[Salandriagado]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

NHS.

And the topic is illegal aliens getting health care. Not universal health care.

You mean one of the best-quality health services in the world? One that, on average, is vastly superior to the US one?