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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:05 pm

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Aeritai wrote:You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.


I dunno man, a good friend of mine lives in Saskatchewan and he regularly rails on the Canadian healthcare system. Sure it might be free but yikes those wait times. Good luck getting in before you die lol.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:06 pm

New Lindale wrote:
Kowani wrote:You’re going to be surprised when you learn that illegals work hard too.

We do know that illegals work hard, but what we are worried about is the ones who don't. You are niaeve if you think that there no illegal immigrants whom have come to be dependant on the government, when we institute these programs.

…Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits, pay taxes, and work.

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Kowani wrote:Yeah, I don’t know enough either, at least about his particular case. I’m also not entirely sure about where anything goes on the priority scale, so…


Clearly, the drought is California’s fault. Oh, wait, no, it ended.


Tell that to the people who don't get water from their taps.

“although 7 percent of the state remains "abnormally dry."”

Small parts do not change the overall trend.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:06 pm

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Not even. I've regularly been getting in way more than him actually. In the time it took him to go get a scan for his leg I met with my doctor, got some stuff prescribed, came back for a follow up and then saw a specialist before he got in for his visit. It was kinda sad actually.


I'm talking about if the United States implanted universal health care would the lines be longer?

Depends on the system used. If the US went single payer probably, if they went multi-payer than probably not
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Postby New Lindale » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:07 pm

They need to worry less about illegal's health, and more about this. If the roads are in better condition, less people will get hurt on the roadways, and less need to use a hospital.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ition.html
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:08 pm

New Lindale wrote:They need to worry less about illegal's health, and more about this. If the roads are in better condition, less people will get hurt on the roadways, and less need to use a hospital.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ition.html

Why can’t we worry about healthcare and infrastructure? Why can’t we do both?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:10 pm

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Kowani wrote:You’re going to be surprised when you learn that illegals work hard too.


Doesn't change the fact they are not supposed to be here and cause a lot of problems which only make things harder for legal immigrants who keep being put in the same boat as this criminals by the liberals.
What problems do they cause?
Springfeal wrote:And these criminals are lazy.
Categorically untrue.
Springfeal wrote:My dad, his sister, and brother were all born in rural Ethiopia in a place that didn't even have electricity or anything. But they worked hard and rose up the socio-economic ladder, got an education, and were eventually able to legally immigrate to the United States.
And yet, rural Ethiopia doesn’t have the systematic violence and crime that their countries do. That is the difference. And, perhaps more importantly, the macroeconomic trends are different.
Springfeal wrote:If they can do it, anyone can. These criminals are just lazy and want a free ride.
Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits.
Springfeal wrote:Last I checked, most illegals are from countries more developed than Ethiopia (especially rural Ethiopia).

It is not just development that is the problem.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I dunno man, a good friend of mine lives in Saskatchewan and he regularly rails on the Canadian healthcare system. Sure it might be free but yikes those wait times. Good luck getting in before you die lol.

German System is best system


I must admit healthcare is probably the one thing I'm not very well read on nowadays. What exactly is the German system?

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New Lindale wrote:They need to worry less about illegal's health, and more about this. If the roads are in better condition, less people will get hurt on the roadways, and less need to use a hospital.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ition.html

Why can’t we worry about healthcare and infrastructure? Why can’t we do both?

‘Cause otherwise, people wouldn’t be able to whataboutism their way out of things.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:13 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Lindale wrote:We do know that illegals work hard, but what we are worried about is the ones who don't. You are niaeve if you think that there no illegal immigrants whom have come to be dependant on the government, when we institute these programs.

…Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits, pay taxes, and work.

Telconi wrote:
Tell that to the people who don't get water from their taps.

“although 7 percent of the state remains "abnormally dry."”

Small parts do not change the overall trend.


"Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for government benefits" is an odd statement to make in a thread explicitly about them being eligible for government benefits.

As for taxes, that's more complex, as for working, well, some do, some don't, like anyone.
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Postby New Lindale » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New Lindale wrote:They need to worry less about illegal's health, and more about this. If the roads are in better condition, less people will get hurt on the roadways, and less need to use a hospital.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... ition.html

Why can’t we worry about healthcare and infrastructure? Why can’t we do both?

Because the country is severly in debt, and can only do so much with it's taxdollars, especially since a lot of people are leaving California. Unless I was also hearing about plans to fix the roads, I would be less concerned. Also, you have to think about scale.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:20 pm

New Lindale wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why can’t we worry about healthcare and infrastructure? Why can’t we do both?

Because the country is severly in debt, and can only do so much with it's taxdollars, especially since a lot of people are leaving California. Unless I was also hearing about plans to fix the roads, I would be less concerned. Also, you have to think about scale.

California has net population growth
Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits, pay taxes, and work.


“although 7 percent of the state remains "abnormally dry."”

Small parts do not change the overall trend.


"Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for government benefits" is an odd statement to make in a thread explicitly about them being eligible for government benefits.
My bad. Rather, this program only covers people up to 25, and since California already covered people up to 18, that’s only 7 more years. So, not much to do for dependency.
As for taxes, that's more complex, as for working, well, some do, some don't, like anyone.

And yet by and large, they do both of those things.
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Postby New Lindale » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits, pay taxes, and work.


“although 7 percent of the state remains "abnormally dry."”

Small parts do not change the overall trend.


"Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for government benefits" is an odd statement to make in a thread explicitly about them being eligible for government benefits.

As for taxes, that's more complex, as for working, well, some do, some don't, like anyone.

In my state of Texas, which has the same problem, a majority of them are day workers who are paid in cash, so nothing has been deducted for taxes. The only tax revenue you get from them is sales tax, which is apparently not enough considering there are people wanting to "have the rich pay there fair share" *cough cough* https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of- ... 1523007001
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Postby Springfeal » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:24 pm

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
Doesn't change the fact they are not supposed to be here and cause a lot of problems which only make things harder for legal immigrants who keep being put in the same boat as this criminals by the liberals.
What problems do they cause?
Springfeal wrote:And these criminals are lazy.
Categorically untrue.
Springfeal wrote:My dad, his sister, and brother were all born in rural Ethiopia in a place that didn't even have electricity or anything. But they worked hard and rose up the socio-economic ladder, got an education, and were eventually able to legally immigrate to the United States.
And yet, rural Ethiopia doesn’t have the systematic violence and crime that their countries do. That is the difference. And, perhaps more importantly, the macroeconomic trends are different.
Springfeal wrote:If they can do it, anyone can. These criminals are just lazy and want a free ride.
Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits.
Springfeal wrote:Last I checked, most illegals are from countries more developed than Ethiopia (especially rural Ethiopia).

It is not just development that is the problem.


It was the 1980s when Ethiopia was way more violent and destitute than Mexico or any Central American nations.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:25 pm

New Lindale wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for government benefits" is an odd statement to make in a thread explicitly about them being eligible for government benefits.

As for taxes, that's more complex, as for working, well, some do, some don't, like anyone.

In my state of Texas, which has the same problem, a majority of them are day workers who are paid in cash, so nothing has been deducted for taxes. The only tax revenue you get from them is sales tax, which is apparently not enough considering there are people wanting to "have the rich pay there fair share" *cough cough* https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of- ... 1523007001

Property tax exists. Additionally, most illegal immigrants pay taxes through the IRS.

Also, tax loopholes really drop down what the rich actually pay.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:25 pm

Aeritai wrote:You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

The Canadian Example is One of the reasons we dont want it.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Lindale wrote:Because the country is severly in debt, and can only do so much with it's taxdollars, especially since a lot of people are leaving California. Unless I was also hearing about plans to fix the roads, I would be less concerned. Also, you have to think about scale.

California has net population growth
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"Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for government benefits" is an odd statement to make in a thread explicitly about them being eligible for government benefits.
My bad. Rather, this program only covers people up to 25, and since California already covered people up to 18, that’s only 7 more years. So, not much to do for dependency.
As for taxes, that's more complex, as for working, well, some do, some don't, like anyone.

And yet by and large, they do both of those things.


Estimates vary depending on who is doing the estimating, but we do know a significant number of illegal immigrants are paid "under the table" unless they report these earnings, it's unlikely they're being assessed taxes on them. Of course, this is a dubious distinction, because most illegal immigrants who are paid cash for their work would have little to no tax burden anyhow.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:27 pm

Springfeal wrote:
Kowani wrote: What problems do they cause?
Categorically untrue.
And yet, rural Ethiopia doesn’t have the systematic violence and crime that their countries do. That is the difference. And, perhaps more importantly, the macroeconomic trends are different.
Illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for government benefits.

It is not just development that is the problem.


It was the 1980s when Ethiopia was way more violent and destitute than Mexico or any Central American nations.

Citation needed.
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Postby Aeritai » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Aeritai wrote:You would think the United States would implant universal healthcare considering how well Canada is doing it with it.

The Canadian Example is One of the reasons we dont want it.


How so?
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Aeritai wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The Canadian Example is One of the reasons we dont want it.


How so?


No free choice of doctor apparently.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGkgpGybVck
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Postby Springfeal » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:29 pm

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
It was the 1980s when Ethiopia was way more violent and destitute than Mexico or any Central American nations.

Citation needed.


Never heard of the Ethiopian Civil War?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:30 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The Canadian Example is One of the reasons we dont want it.


How so?


Less options, beurocratic nonsense, underfunding, horror stories about people on wait lists forever, etc.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:30 pm

Kowani wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
It was the 1980s when Ethiopia was way more violent and destitute than Mexico or any Central American nations.

Citation needed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Aid

Ethiopia was pretty rough in the 80's....

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Postby New Lindale » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Lindale wrote:In my state of Texas, which has the same problem, a majority of them are day workers who are paid in cash, so nothing has been deducted for taxes. The only tax revenue you get from them is sales tax, which is apparently not enough considering there are people wanting to "have the rich pay there fair share" *cough cough* https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of- ... 1523007001

Property tax exists. Additionally, most illegal immigrants pay taxes through the IRS.

Also, tax loopholes really drop down what the rich actually pay.

Fair point on undocumented immigrant paying taxes, but as you mention for the rich, the illegals can also look for loopholes, and a majority of people on the argument of the rich paying taxes do not mention the loopholes, and just want to raise the rate, and generally the rate gets increased across the board as well.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:33 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The Canadian Example is One of the reasons we dont want it.


How so?

I can get non emergency surgery in a week. It doesnt take 6 months to see a shrink without being suicidal. I can change shrinks on a moments notice.
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