California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Telconi]

Galaxy brain: do away with countries alltogether.

This but unironically.

Implying it was ironic...

[Great Minarchistan]

The bulk of why the US has expensive healthcare compared to the rest of the world isn't due to private ownership of medical care -- hospitals cut average margins, insurance companies cut small margins and the only group that has eye-gobbling profits is the pharma industry -- rather due to labor costs. Which again, shouldn't be supposed to be a surprising thing when you have medical unions squeezing the supply of medical staffing.

[Telconi]

I'm not lying. I'm telling the 100% fucking truth.

No you aren't.

The standard of care is higher in the US, we use better, stronger, medicines, we use experimental treatments, we do more to keep you healthy if you pay.

Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.

Like, at all. Not even paying a lot. If you can pay the minimum amount? You are still getting better care than in other countries.

No you aren't. Not at all.

[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.

You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.

You're lying again.

If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?

We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.[/quote]

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what the NHS is...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm not lying. I'm telling the 100% fucking truth.

No you aren't.

The standard of care is higher in the US, we use better, stronger, medicines, we use experimental treatments, we do more to keep you healthy if you pay.

Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.

Like, at all. Not even paying a lot. If you can pay the minimum amount? You are still getting better care than in other countries.

No you aren't. Not at all.

[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.

You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.

You're lying again.

If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?

We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.[/quote]
I hate it when I have to use it myself. Long waiting times, uncomfortable facilities and unhelpful staff.

[Telconi]

No you aren't.



Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.



No you aren't. Not at all.

[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.

You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.

You're lying again.

If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?

We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.

I hate it when I have to use it myself. Long waiting times, uncomfortable facilities and unhelpful staff.[/quote]

But Salandriagado said it was excellent, and disagreement is lying.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.



You're lying again.



We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.

I hate it when I have to use it myself. Long waiting times, uncomfortable facilities and unhelpful staff.

But Salandriagado said it was excellent, and disagreement is lying.[/quote]
Here's a challenge.

Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.

[Tristainland]

Healthcare to illegals before healthcare to all Americans and legal immigrants. Such stupidity.

[Saiwania]

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.

I would stay at home. I know that I have no money and I'm uninsured as a NEET, I at least do what I can to not take on any debt- so bill collectors and the judicial system will never come after me. I have a fatalist philosophy where my core belief is that "everything will happen as it is meant to be." If I die an early death, it is because I didn't take good enough care of myself or was in an accident or lethal situation I should've avoided but didn't. In any case, there was nothing I could do to avoid it or it was my fault and I should endure. If I'm meant to survive, that is what will happen. If I die, I die.

[Fartsniffage]

Here's a challenge.

Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.

I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.

[Whiteumbreon]

I'm not lying. I'm telling the 100% fucking truth.

No you aren't.

The standard of care is higher in the US, we use better, stronger, medicines, we use experimental treatments, we do more to keep you healthy if you pay.

Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.

Like, at all. Not even paying a lot. If you can pay the minimum amount? You are still getting better care than in other countries.

No you aren't. Not at all.

[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.[/quote

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.

You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.

You're lying again.

If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?

We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.

My cousin lives in the U K and to be fair while the healthcare is much better than here in America, there is still room for improvement. For example the Tories keep cutting spending

[Fartsniffage]

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.

I would stay at home. I know that I have no money and I'm uninsured as a NEET, I at least do what I can to not take on any debt- so bill collectors and the judicial system will never come after me. I have a fatalist philosophy where my core belief is that "everything will happen as it is meant to be." If I die an early death, it is because I didn't take good enough care of myself or was in an accident or lethal situation I should've avoided but didn't. In any case, there was nothing I could do to avoid it or it was my fault and I should endure. If I'm meant to survive, that is what will happen. If I die, I die.

But wouldn't you rather die wrapped in a cloud of painkillers rather than screaming in agony?

[Whiteumbreon]

I would stay at home. I know that I have no money and I'm uninsured as a NEET, I at least do what I can to not take on any debt- so bill collectors and the judicial system will never come after me. I have a fatalist philosophy where my core belief is that "everything will happen as it is meant to be." If I die an early death, it is because I didn't take good enough care of myself or was in an accident or lethal situation I should've avoided but didn't. In any case, there was nothing I could do to avoid it or it was my fault and I should endure. If I'm meant to survive, that is what will happen. If I die, I die.

But wouldn't you rather die wrapped in a cloud of painkillers rather than screaming in agony?

To be fair who doesn't love screaming?

[New haven america]

The quality of American health care is meaningless to the people who can't afford to get it.

And those people's opinions are irrelevant as they don't participate.

Can't, they can't participate.

There's a difference between having an opportunity available and not taking it up, and not being able to use it because of financial reasons. The majority of people who don't have healthcare in the US are part of the latter, they can't afford it, so they don't get it.

That is unheard of in every single other developed nation in the world.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Here's a challenge.

Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.

I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.

I've transferred between a number of gp surgeries and I've never seen that, the amount of times that the answer has effectively been 'What are you doing in 10 days time?' is unreal.

[Fartsniffage]

But wouldn't you rather die wrapped in a cloud of painkillers rather than screaming in agony?

To be fair who doesn't love screaming?

Only in public where it will cause consternation. Doing it in your house is just pointless.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No you aren't.



Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.



No you aren't. Not at all.

[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.[/quote

Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.



You're lying again.



We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.

My cousin lives in the U K and to be fair while the healthcare is much better than here in America, there is still room for improvement. For example the Tories keep cutting spending

No they don't.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44495598

[Whiteumbreon]

To be fair who doesn't love screaming?

Only in public where it will cause consternation. Doing it in your house is just pointless.

I disagree. I constantly scream to God, even though he never answers me

[Fartsniffage]

I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.

I've transferred between a number of gp surgeries and I've never seen that, the amount of times that the answer has effectively been 'What are you doing in 10 days time?' is unreal.

Then just use a walk in centre if you can't wait the ten days.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Only in public where it will cause consternation. Doing it in your house is just pointless.

I disagree. I constantly scream to God, even though he never answers me

You need to call him instead. I'd post his number but don't want to doxx him.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I've transferred between a number of gp surgeries and I've never seen that, the amount of times that the answer has effectively been 'What are you doing in 10 days time?' is unreal.

Then just use a walk in centre if you can't wait the ten days.

You mean a walk in and wait for 4 hours right? We don't have a walk-in centre near us, you get told to go to A&E

[Saiwania]

But wouldn't you rather die wrapped in a cloud of painkillers rather than screaming in agony?

Pain is a sensation you can get used to or deal with. It is not impossible.

[Salandriagado]

I hate it when I have to use it myself. Long waiting times, uncomfortable facilities and unhelpful staff.

So go ahead and pay to get treated quicker. I remind you again that the equivalent wait time without the NHS is literally infinite.

[Salandriagado]

Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.

Did it this morning. My appointment is tomorrow afternoon.

[Fartsniffage]

Then just use a walk in centre if you can't wait the ten days.

You mean a walk in and wait for 4 hours right? We don't have a walk-in centre near us, you get told to go to A&E

If it's that urgent then what is 4 hours? And you're at a university, I'd be very surprised if there isn't a walk in nearby.

[Salandriagado]

I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.

I've transferred between a number of gp surgeries and I've never seen that, the amount of times that the answer has effectively been 'What are you doing in 10 days time?' is unreal.

That's because you're asking for appointments for things that aren't urgent. If you want your non-urgent things treating quicker, feel free to pay: it's probably less than £30/month.