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by Telconi » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:19 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:19 pm
by Telconi » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:21 pm
Salandriagado wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm not lying. I'm telling the 100% fucking truth.
No you aren't.The standard of care is higher in the US, we use better, stronger, medicines, we use experimental treatments, we do more to keep you healthy if you pay.
Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.Like, at all. Not even paying a lot. If you can pay the minimum amount? You are still getting better care than in other countries.
No you aren't. Not at all.
[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.
You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.
If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:22 pm
Salandriagado wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm not lying. I'm telling the 100% fucking truth.
No you aren't.The standard of care is higher in the US, we use better, stronger, medicines, we use experimental treatments, we do more to keep you healthy if you pay.
Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.Like, at all. Not even paying a lot. If you can pay the minimum amount? You are still getting better care than in other countries.
No you aren't. Not at all.
[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.
You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.
If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?
by Telconi » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:24 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Salandriagado wrote:
No you aren't.
Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.
No you aren't. Not at all.
[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.
Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.
You're lying again.If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?
We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:25 pm
Telconi wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.
You're lying again.
We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.
I hate it when I have to use it myself. Long waiting times, uncomfortable facilities and unhelpful staff.
by Tristainland » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:27 pm
by Saiwania » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:34 pm
Salandriagado wrote:Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.
by Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:35 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Here's a challenge.
Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.
by Whiteumbreon » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:35 pm
Salandriagado wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm not lying. I'm telling the 100% fucking truth.
No you aren't.The standard of care is higher in the US, we use better, stronger, medicines, we use experimental treatments, we do more to keep you healthy if you pay.
Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.Like, at all. Not even paying a lot. If you can pay the minimum amount? You are still getting better care than in other countries.
No you aren't. Not at all.
[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.[/quote
Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.You want it to be cheaper, great. Too bad. I'd rather not die because you insist we can only have shitty doctors, so that everyone can afford to go to the doctor.
You're lying again.If you want people to have medical care when poor? Pay their way yourself. If it really bothers you that much. Get together with a bunch of people who also care about the subject, and start a charity. People can crowdfund millions of dollars for boardgames and potato salad. Y'think you won't get a few takers for someones healthcare?
We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.
by Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:36 pm
Saiwania wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.
I would stay at home. I know that I have no money and I'm uninsured as a NEET, I at least do what I can to not take on any debt- so bill collectors and the judicial system will never come after me. I have a fatalist philosophy where my core belief is that "everything will happen as it is meant to be." If I die an early death, it is because I didn't take good enough care of myself or was in an accident or lethal situation I should've avoided but didn't. In any case, there was nothing I could do to avoid it or it was my fault and I should endure. If I'm meant to survive, that is what will happen. If I die, I die.
by Whiteumbreon » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:36 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Saiwania wrote:
I would stay at home. I know that I have no money and I'm uninsured as a NEET, I at least do what I can to not take on any debt- so bill collectors and the judicial system will never come after me. I have a fatalist philosophy where my core belief is that "everything will happen as it is meant to be." If I die an early death, it is because I didn't take good enough care of myself or was in an accident or lethal situation I should've avoided but didn't. In any case, there was nothing I could do to avoid it or it was my fault and I should endure. If I'm meant to survive, that is what will happen. If I die, I die.
But wouldn't you rather die wrapped in a cloud of painkillers rather than screaming in agony?
by New haven america » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:36 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:37 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Here's a challenge.
Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.
I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.
by Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:38 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:39 pm
Whiteumbreon wrote:Salandriagado wrote:
No you aren't.
Not true at all. You use precisely the same medicines as everybody else, and use experimental treatments rather less than countries with less of a concern about being sued.
No you aren't. Not at all.
[quote You are 45% more likely to die in a hospital in the UK than in the US.[/quote
Because people who have fatal illnesses go to fucking hospital where they get treated, rather than staying at home and dying at home.
You're lying again.
We have. It's called "the NHS". It works excellently.
My cousin lives in the U K and to be fair while the healthcare is much better than here in America, there is still room for improvement. For example the Tories keep cutting spending
by Whiteumbreon » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:39 pm
by Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:40 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.
I've transferred between a number of gp surgeries and I've never seen that, the amount of times that the answer has effectively been 'What are you doing in 10 days time?' is unreal.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:40 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:41 pm
by Saiwania » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:44 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:But wouldn't you rather die wrapped in a cloud of painkillers rather than screaming in agony?
by Salandriagado » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:44 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I hate it when I have to use it myself. Long waiting times, uncomfortable facilities and unhelpful staff.
by Salandriagado » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:45 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Wake up on a Monday morning and call a doctors surgery in the UK. Book an appointment.
by Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:45 pm
by Salandriagado » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:46 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
I don't have an issue with that? My surgery keeps a certain number of appointments per day free for emergency appointments. I might not get the GP I want but I will get an appointment. Failing that I can just go to a walk in centre.
I've transferred between a number of gp surgeries and I've never seen that, the amount of times that the answer has effectively been 'What are you doing in 10 days time?' is unreal.
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