California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Bear Stearns]

I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. Borders that were drawn in blood. They damn well mean something. I live in the real world, not a fanciful world that ignores realities.

Borders were drawn in pencil. You can tell because they kept getting redrawn, moving back and forth and sometimes disappearing and sometimes reappearing.

Usually because of not-so-insignificant events like war, invasion, revolution, demographic shifts, economic forces, etc. People don't redraw borders for the fun of it.

[Bear Stearns]

What? Don't bother stopping illegal immigration because the businesses that profit off of them will just lobby the government to make Americans serfs?

That would never happen because Americans are able to vote and organize politically in effective legal manners against.

On that note, I'm also opposed to most forms of corporate lobbying.

Oh wait, nevermind, they're already doing that.

Thanks Reagan!

Are you trying to be snarky or something? Please address the topic at hand instead of bringing up weird references to basic bitch Republican policies, especially when I've given no indication that I support those policies nor that I'm even a Republican.

I do not think Reagan was a great president. The fucker signed the largest amnesty bill in history and put us on the neocon war path.

[New haven america]

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

1. I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. 2. Borders that were drawn in blood. 3.They damn well mean something.

1. I'm aware borders exist, I just don't like them. Also, 2/10, your Strawman sucks.
2. And this would make me more sympathetic to your argument because...?
3. Yes, they're a representation of human stupidity and inability to think in the long term.

[The Emerald Legion]

1. I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. 2. Borders that were drawn in blood. 3.They damn well mean something.

1. I'm aware borders exist, I just don't like them. Also, 2/10, your Strawman sucks.
2. And this would make me more sympathetic to your argument because...?
3. Yes, they're a representation of human stupidity and inability to think in the long term.

Not really. Again, you're trying to act like yours is the long view. It isn't.

[Bear Stearns]

1. I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. 2. Borders that were drawn in blood. 3.They damn well mean something.

1. I'm aware borders exist, I just don't like them. Also, 2/10, your Strawman sucks.
2. And this would make me more sympathetic to your argument because...?
3. Yes, they're a representation of human stupidity and inability to think in the long term.

If humans are stupid then why do we want more of them in our country, especially if they're even dumber?

[Ifreann]

Borders were drawn in pencil. You can tell because they kept getting redrawn, moving back and forth and sometimes disappearing and sometimes reappearing.

And what causes those lines to be drawn and redrawn?

Politics.

The blood of the nation. The men and women dying to make it so.

The leaders telling them what to do. Politicians. We could have politicians decide to erase the pencil lines and just...not draw new ones. We could even do it without sending anyone to die.

[Novus America]

And we have a legal method to do so.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-st ... al-workers

We do not need illegals for it.

The whole "we need illegal immigrants for our economy" is a huge lie pushed by Big Agg and the restaurant lobbies. And Democrats are either dumb enough to fall for it or they recognize it is true but don't care because they benefit from the demographic effects of illegal immigration.

This is true.

[New haven america]

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

1.) I can not want my neighbor to come into my house without demonizing them. 2.) Incorrect, noone has a right to go to any country except the one they were born in.
3.) There's a massive difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. 4.) Tribalistic Behavior is the fundamental foundation of all sensible morality.

1. I never said private property shouldn't be a thing. Stop strawmanning.
2. "NO U"
3. Legal immigrants are lucky enough to be able to buy their way in or get someone to do it for them, illegal immigrants aren't lucky enough to.
4. Defending human stupidity is gonna hurt your case more than it helps.

[Bear Stearns]

The whole "we need illegal immigrants for our economy" is a huge lie pushed by Big Agg and the restaurant lobbies. And Democrats are either dumb enough to fall for it or they recognize it is true but don't care because they benefit from the demographic effects of illegal immigration.

This is true.

A lot of Republicans have the same problem as well.

[Novus America]

1. I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. 2. Borders that were drawn in blood. 3.They damn well mean something.

1. I'm aware borders exist, I just don't like them. Also, 2/10, your Strawman sucks.
2. And this would make me more sympathetic to your argument because...?
3. Yes, they're a representation of human stupidity and inability to think in the long term.

So long as different governments exists, so will borders.
And without border security we would have an uncontrollable wave of immigration that would completely overwhelm our infrastructure, public services, housing food and energy supply.

[New haven america]

And what causes those lines to be drawn and redrawn?

Politics.

The blood of the nation. The men and women dying to make it so.

The leaders telling them what to do. Politicians. We could have politicians decide to erase the pencil lines and just...not draw new ones. We could even do it without sending anyone to die.

I mean, the latter is basically what foreign politicians did in Africa and the Middle East after they got done abusing and killing the local populations.

[The Emerald Legion]

And what causes those lines to be drawn and redrawn?

Politics.

The blood of the nation. The men and women dying to make it so.

The leaders telling them what to do. Politicians. We could have politicians decide to erase the pencil lines and just...not draw new ones. We could even do it without sending anyone to die.

... Not really no. Borders don't actually exist on maps. Borders exist on land. They're drawn in border guards and such.

[Bear Stearns]

1. I'm aware borders exist, I just don't like them. Also, 2/10, your Strawman sucks.
2. And this would make me more sympathetic to your argument because...?
3. Yes, they're a representation of human stupidity and inability to think in the long term.

So long as different governments exists, so will borders.
And without border security we would have an uncontrollable wave of immigration that would completely overwhelm our infrastructure, public services, housing food and energy supply.

I might be wrong on the numbers, but haven't polls shown that 40-50% of the third would would migrate to the West if they could?

[Argentinstan]

As a Californian, I am supportive of this new benefit that is now provided. Healthcare shouldn’t be held in the hands of whether you have a green card or some other immigrant statuses citizenship in the United States, it should be a basic human right.

I personally would happily pay a tax increase if healthcare was to be afforded to all regardless of ability to pay or status in this country.

I know that this issue is contentious and controversial but I am proud to be a resident of California today and yesterday and tomorrow.

[Ifreann]

Politics.

The leaders telling them what to do. Politicians. We could have politicians decide to erase the pencil lines and just...not draw new ones. We could even do it without sending anyone to die.

... Not really no. Borders don't actually exist on maps. Borders exist on land. They're drawn in border guards and such.

Oh man, wait till you learn about political maps, they're awesome.

[New haven america]

1. I'm aware borders exist, I just don't like them. Also, 2/10, your Strawman sucks.
2. And this would make me more sympathetic to your argument because...?
3. Yes, they're a representation of human stupidity and inability to think in the long term.

So long as different governments exists, so will borders.
And without border security we would have an uncontrollable wave of immigration that would completely overwhelm our infrastructure, public services, housing food and energy supply.

Then why don't we focus on making life better for the human population as a whole?

Oh wait, it's the "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality back again, once again, fucking everything up.

[Novus America]

So long as different governments exists, so will borders.
And without border security we would have an uncontrollable wave of immigration that would completely overwhelm our infrastructure, public services, housing food and energy supply.

I might be wrong on the numbers, but haven't polls shown that 40-50% of the third would would migrate to the West if they could?

Well it is some 750 million adults. Of which 168 million want the US as first choice.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750 ... grate.aspx

[Bear Stearns]

So long as different governments exists, so will borders.
And without border security we would have an uncontrollable wave of immigration that would completely overwhelm our infrastructure, public services, housing food and energy supply.

Then why don't we focus on making life better for the human population as a whole?

Oh wait, it's the "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality back again.

How do you that then without having a world government? We as a species have collectively decided that humans are easier to manage and improve the condition of if they are separated into disparate categories that have more in common within than without.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So long as different governments exists, so will borders.
And without border security we would have an uncontrollable wave of immigration that would completely overwhelm our infrastructure, public services, housing food and energy supply.

Then why don't we focus on making life better for the human population as a whole?

Oh wait, it's the "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality back again, once again, fucking everything up.

Different peoples have wildly varying ideas on what would make life better.

[Bear Stearns]

I might be wrong on the numbers, but haven't polls shown that 40-50% of the third would would migrate to the West if they could?

Well it is some 750 million adults. Of which 168 million want the US as first choice.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245255/750 ... grate.aspx

That number will increase when sub-Saharan Africa's population gets into the billions this century.

[Ifreann]

Then why don't we focus on making life better for the human population as a whole?

Oh wait, it's the "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality back again.

How do you that then without having a world government? We as a species have collectively decided that humans are easier to manage and improve the condition of if they are separated into disparate categories that have more in common within than without.

Nah, pretty sure that's something the people who benefit from the current arrangement tell us is true so that we don't start, you know, taking away their power.

[The Emerald Legion]

1.) I can not want my neighbor to come into my house without demonizing them. 2.) Incorrect, noone has a right to go to any country except the one they were born in.
3.) There's a massive difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. 4.) Tribalistic Behavior is the fundamental foundation of all sensible morality.

1. I never said private property shouldn't be a thing. Stop strawmanning.
2. "NO U"
3. Legal immigrants are lucky enough to be able to pay their way in, illegal immigrants aren't lucky enough to.
4. Defending human stupidity is gonna hurt your case more than it helps.

1.) Well, that's a willful misinterpretation if I ever heard one.
2.) Same as the above.
3.) Or have skills we want. Contrary to your apparent beliefs, we are under no obligation to take people in because they like our country.
4.) It's not human stupidity, it's the basis for the only moral systems that actually hold up in the face of human society. All others fall apart. Tribalism is basic common sense. Human stupidity is abandoning it.

[New haven america]

Then why don't we focus on making life better for the human population as a whole?

Oh wait, it's the "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality back again.

How do you that then without having a world government? We as a species have collectively decided that humans are easier to manage and improve the condition of if they are separated into disparate categories that have more in common within than without.

And we have decided wrong.

I present the thousands of wars and conflicts as well as those who died in said wars and conflicts as evidence to that fact.

[Bear Stearns]

How do you that then without having a world government? We as a species have collectively decided that humans are easier to manage and improve the condition of if they are separated into disparate categories that have more in common within than without.

Nah, pretty sure that's something the people who benefit from the current arrangement tell us is true so that we don't start, you know, taking away their power.

Sounds like you're just making shit up.

[Ifreann]

Then why don't we focus on making life better for the human population as a whole?

Oh wait, it's the "Fuck you, I got mine" mentality back again, once again, fucking everything up.

Different peoples have wildly varying ideas on what would make life better.

Some people think that their life would be better if they could see a doctor when they're sick and get medicine or whatever to stop being sick. And other people think that that first person should die in a ditch if they don't have a big wad of cash. Lot of difficult choices ahead of us as we endeavour to make the world a better place.