California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Bear Stearns]

I assume you like eating fruit?

The companies could hire legal seasonal workers. We have a program for that. Companies being to lazy and sleazy to fill out the proper paperwork is not sufficient justification.

The companies could automate, they could hire less workers, they could hire seasonal workers, we could import more food, there are tons of options besides "let's let these illegals waltz in and basically enslave them".

[New haven america]

Oh no if we only we had systems in place that would stop capitalists for doing the capitalism.

Oh well, I can't worry about that now, I have my 12 hour a day job for $2.75 an hour I have to get to.

Where in America is $2.75 an hour legal?

Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and any restaurant in the country.

The don't have minimum wage laws, so employers can pay whater they feel like. Then there are waiters, who make almost all of their money from tips because their average hourly wage is ~$2-$3.

[Ethel mermania]

That friendship and magic is not a viable economic system and it would be helpful if you would learn that.

Redistributing the wealth is magic.

Komrade i am not a communist.

[Ifreann]

I assume you like eating fruit?

The companies could hire legal seasonal workers. We have a program for that. Companies being to lazy and sleazy to fill out the proper paperwork is not sufficient justification.

It's not laziness. They want the monies.

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Redistributing the wealth is magic.

Komrade i am not a communist.

I'll let my local political officer know.

[Trollgaard]

The companies could hire legal seasonal workers. We have a program for that. Companies being to lazy and sleazy to fill out the proper paperwork is not sufficient justification.

The companies could automate, they could hire less workers, they could hire seasonal workers, we could import more food, there are tons of options besides "let's let these illegals waltz in and basically enslave them".

Very true, however, having an adequate food supply is essential for national security. You don't wanna fuck with that. If drastic changes are going to take place solutions, even stop gaps, must be in place so food can still be harvested and not wasted.

[Bear Stearns]

Where in America is $2.75 an hour legal?

Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and any restaurant in the country.

The don't have minimum wage laws, so employers can pay whater they feel like. Then there are waiters, who make almost all of their money from tips because their average hourly rate is ~$2-$3.

That's not how that works, because no one can be paid below the federal minimum wage.

Restaurants have a slightly different regulation, where workers can be paid below minimum wage but only if they difference between that and what they would have been paid at minimum wage is netted out by tips, so it amounts to the same as the minimum wage.

If it doesn't, then the restaurant is in violation of federal labor laws and can be punished.

Which reminds me, the restaurant industry is one of the biggest lobbysts for not prevent illegal immigration after agriculture. Hmmm...

[New haven america]

And the US the richest country in history. So... what's your point?

That friendship and magic is not a viable economic system and it would be helpful if you would learn that.

Redistributing the wealth, taxing the millionaires and billionaires, setting up social systems to help keep the populace out of poverty, etc... Is truly only a dream.

After all, it's not like every single other developed nation in the world has done it or anything...

[Novus America]

Not really, dreamer scholarships, Take money away from citizens scholarships. Money does not grow on trees and there is not an infinite supply on of it. Every dollar spend is a dollar not spent on something else. The technical term for this is “opportunity cost”.

And the US the richest country in history. So... what's your point?

Except we are not. We are not even the wealthiest in the world. We have the biggest overall GDP. But Ethiopia has a bigger GDP than Luxembourg. But Luxembourg is obviously wealthier.
The US is not number one in GDP per capita.

[Telconi]

Where in America is $2.75 an hour legal?

Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and any restaurant in the country.

The don't have minimum wage laws, so employers can pay whater they feel like. Then there are waiters, who make almost all of their money from tips because their average hourly wage is ~$2-$3.

No American employee is permitted to make less than 7.25 an hour, try again.

[Bear Stearns]

The companies could automate, they could hire less workers, they could hire seasonal workers, we could import more food, there are tons of options besides "let's let these illegals waltz in and basically enslave them".

Very true, however, having an adequate food supply is essential for national security. You don't wanna fuck with that. If drastic changes are going to take place solutions, even stop gaps, must be in place so food can still be harvested and not wasted.

We already have adequate food supplies. We just wont have as many avocados and strawberries anymore.

[New haven america]

Denying people the freedom of movement is never a good thing.

Hell, America and the rest of the developed nations are already almost impossible to get into, and I'd rather they not make that problem worse.

Do you care more about the denying some people the freedom of movement to the benefit of the rest of the country or lining the pockets of greedy agribusinesses?

You're acting as if they're mutually exclusive.

[Bear Stearns]

Do you care more about the denying some people the freedom of movement to the benefit of the rest of the country or lining the pockets of greedy agribusinesses?

You're acting as if they're mutually exclusive.

They're pretty much contingent on each other. Cut off the supply and watch these companies fall in line.

[Bear Stearns]

And the US the richest country in history. So... what's your point?

Except we are not. We are not even the wealthiest in the world. We have the biggest overall GDP. But Ethiopia has a bigger GDP than Luxembourg. But Luxembourg is obviously wealthier.
The US is not number one in GDP per capita.

Luxembourg also has fairly stringent immigration laws. It's hard to move there if you don't have employment or wealth.

[Novus America]

The companies could automate, they could hire less workers, they could hire seasonal workers, we could import more food, there are tons of options besides "let's let these illegals waltz in and basically enslave them".

Very true, however, having an adequate food supply is essential for national security. You don't wanna fuck with that. If drastic changes are going to take place solutions, even stop gaps, must be in place so food can still be harvested and not wasted.

And we have a legal method to do so.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-st ... al-workers

We do not need illegals for it.

[New haven america]

Why do you feel the need to kick out and demonize those who weren't lucky enough to be born in a country or have a parent(s) from said country?

1. I'm not demonizing them. 2. They simply have no right to be here unless welcomed. 3. I'm all for people immigrating and improving their lives, but not just waltzing in and ignoring the rules.

4. Borders are real. People don't like others encroaching on their territory.

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

[New haven america]

You're acting as if they're mutually exclusive.

They're pretty much contingent on each other. Cut off the supply and watch these companies fall in line.

They won't fall in line because they can just lobby the government and buy out Congress people to make it easier to abuse American citizens.

[Telconi]

1. I'm not demonizing them. 2. They simply have no right to be here unless welcomed. 3. I'm all for people immigrating and improving their lives, but not just waltzing in and ignoring the rules.

4. Borders are real. People don't like others encroaching on their territory.

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

Tribalistic behavior is why we as humans still exist.

[Bear Stearns]

They're pretty much contingent on each other. Cut off the supply and watch these companies fall in line.

They won't fall in line because they can just lobby the government and buy out Congress people to make it easier to abuse American citizens.

What? Don't bother stopping illegal immigration because the businesses that profit off of them will just lobby the government to make Americans serfs?

That would never happen because Americans are able to vote and organize politically in effective legal manners against.

On that note, I'm also opposed to most forms of corporate lobbying.

[Trollgaard]

1. I'm not demonizing them. 2. They simply have no right to be here unless welcomed. 3. I'm all for people immigrating and improving their lives, but not just waltzing in and ignoring the rules.

4. Borders are real. People don't like others encroaching on their territory.

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. Borders that were drawn in blood. They damn well mean something. I live in the real world, not a fanciful world that ignores realities.

[Ethel mermania]

That friendship and magic is not a viable economic system and it would be helpful if you would learn that.

Redistributing the wealth, taxing the millionaires and billionaires, setting up social systems to help keep the populace out of poverty, etc... Is truly only a dream.

After all, it's not like every single other developed nation in the world has done it or anything...

So the answer is “no”. For you friendship and magic it is, Splendid

[Bear Stearns]

Very true, however, having an adequate food supply is essential for national security. You don't wanna fuck with that. If drastic changes are going to take place solutions, even stop gaps, must be in place so food can still be harvested and not wasted.

And we have a legal method to do so.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-st ... al-workers

We do not need illegals for it.

The whole "we need illegal immigrants for our economy" is a huge lie pushed by Big Agg and the restaurant lobbies. And Democrats are either dumb enough to fall for it or they recognize it is true but don't care because they benefit from the demographic effects of illegal immigration.

[The Emerald Legion]

1. I'm not demonizing them. 2. They simply have no right to be here unless welcomed. 3. I'm all for people immigrating and improving their lives, but not just waltzing in and ignoring the rules.

4. Borders are real. People don't like others encroaching on their territory.

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

1.) I can not want my neighbor to come into my house without demonizing them. 2.) Incorrect, noone has a right to go to any country except the one they were born in.
3.) There's a massive difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. 4.) Tribalistic Behavior is the fundamental foundation of all sensible morality.

[Ifreann]

1. "I'm not demonizing them, I just don't want them here because they're different."
2. Everyone has the right to go to any country they wish, and the fact that immigration is so restrictive and demonized today is one of the biggest mistakes of modern society.
3. That's evidently not true, but keep telling yourself that.
4. Because they have a similar mindset as you and tend to not like or even demonize those from other countries. It's almost like tribalistic behavior is bad or something...

I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. Borders that were drawn in blood. They damn well mean something. I live in the real world, not a fanciful world that ignores realities.

Borders were drawn in pencil. You can tell because they kept getting redrawn, moving back and forth and sometimes disappearing and sometimes reappearing.

[New haven america]

They won't fall in line because they can just lobby the government and buy out Congress people to make it easier to abuse American citizens.

What? Don't bother stopping illegal immigration because the businesses that profit off of them will just lobby the government to make Americans serfs?

That would never happen because Americans are able to vote and organize politically in effective legal manners against.

On that note, I'm also opposed to most forms of corporate lobbying.

Oh wait, nevermind, they're already doing that.

Thanks Reagan!

[Trollgaard]

I'm sorry you have the fanciful notion that borders don't exist. Borders that were drawn in blood. They damn well mean something. I live in the real world, not a fanciful world that ignores realities.

Borders were drawn in pencil. You can tell because they kept getting redrawn, moving back and forth and sometimes disappearing and sometimes reappearing.

And what causes those lines to be drawn and redrawn? The blood of the nation. The men and women dying to make it so.