California Offers Healthcare Benefits To Illegal Immigrants

[Ethel mermania]

The answer to why healthcare in the US sucks today is because of PPACA. The law had increased already stringent regulations on health insurance, and competition had deteriorated and prices soared. Also, why do we keep advocating for Universal Health Care, when it is already apparent that the states already have a tax payer funded program? It is because the government wants to seize on control on the health industry, and the result will end up with poorer quality. But hey, atleast it's universal!

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

NHS.

And the topic is illegal aliens getting health care. Not universal health care.

[Fartsniffage]

I mean, not even the UK does that. If you are illegal then the NHS will provide emergency care but that's it.

I agree. While we should ensure all Americans have access to healthcare (but absolutely NOT via a one sized fits all system), for those who are not Americans it is their country’s responsibility, not ours.

I think that's one big misconception that the US has about the NHS. Everyone pays in to run the system but people are perfectly able to also have private health insurance to get priority treatment if they want to. And the costs of said insurance are well below what I read for people in the US.

[Novus America]

Most Americans file for bankruptcy?
For that to be proven you would have to prove more Americans file for healthcare related bankruptcy than do not file for bankruptcy, something your source does not support.

I never claimed that most Americans file for bankruptcy because of healthcare costs…
However, it is also true that the cost of healthcare is becoming long-term untenable, and that’s without including the actual coverage or quality.
“Unless you’re Jeff Bezos, people don’t have very good alternatives, because the insurance that is available and affordable to people, or that most people’s employers provide them, is not adequate protection if you’re sick”

Also this
“While the high cost of health care has historically been a trigger for bankruptcy filings, the research shows that the implementation of the Affordable Care Act has not improved things.”
refutes one of your earlier claims. I know. I’m not defending the ACA on a financial basis, but rather, an access to care one-Which it wins.
And regardless people with good insurance will not be happy about get shitty insurance, something any healthcare reform has to take in to account.

About That…

Well we do need healthcare reform but regardless most people will never have a disease such that creates these conditions.
Also bankruptcy is actually to protect the debtor.

Anyways your source on shows a plurality (not even a majority FEEL the healthcare reform helped more than hurt. (What people feel is the case and actually is is different).

It was not all bad, but not all good.
And the simple fact is this is something you have to take into account.
If you are going to make 49% suffer to benefit 51%, you are still getting massive pushback from that 49%.

[Ifreann]

The answer to why healthcare in the US sucks today is because of PPACA. The law had increased already stringent regulations on health insurance, and competition had deteriorated and prices soared. Also, why do we keep advocating for Universal Health Care, when it is already apparent that the states already have a tax payer funded program? It is because the government wants to seize on control on the health industry, and the result will end up with poorer quality. But hey, atleast it's universal!

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

Duh, if it isn't done for profit then it's bad. How can you possibly have a good healthcare system that's only focussed on caring for people's health? Someone needs to be getting rich. Ideally someone already rich.

[Nova Cyberia]

Deportation would probably be better.

[Kowani]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

NHS.

And the topic is illegal aliens getting health care. Not universal health care.

The NHS has been underfunded for the past few decades.

Deportation would probably be better.

They’d just come back.

And from an economic standpoint, that’s untrue.

[Aeritai]

Deportation would probably be better.

I think that just makes things worst.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

Duh, if it isn't done for profit then it's bad. How can you possibly have a good healthcare system that's only focussed on caring for people's health? Someone needs to be getting rich. Ideally someone already rich.

It's more a matter of people would be more willing to go under a free universal system and thus doctors (who would probably be making less at that point and thus less people are likely to go into the profession) would have less time for individual patients and overall care quality would decrease.

I believe the UK also had problems with its doctors leaving to go overseas where they make better money.

[Nova Cyberia]

NHS.

And the topic is illegal aliens getting health care. Not universal health care.

The NHS has been underfunded for the past few decades.

Deportation would probably be better.

They’d just come back.

And from an economic standpoint, that’s untrue.

Put them in jail if they come back.

[Vassenor]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

NHS.

And the topic is illegal aliens getting health care. Not universal health care.

>Trying to convince someone who actually uses the NHS that it's poor quality

[Novus America]

I agree. While we should ensure all Americans have access to healthcare (but absolutely NOT via a one sized fits all system), for those who are not Americans it is their country’s responsibility, not ours.

I think that's one big misconception that the US has about the NHS. Everyone pays in to run the system but people are perfectly able to also have private health insurance to get priority treatment if they want to. And the costs of said insurance are well below what I read for people in the US.

Well that is closer to what I would support then. The government should cover the minimum basic healthcare needs of its citizens and permanent residents (but only at most emergency care for those who are not citizens and permanent residents) but people should be able buy and maintain additional private insurance if they choose.

Though I would only require each state to provide basic care for those who do not otherwise have it, I would leave the actual implementation up to the state (a state could use some sort of private exchange system, a government owned system or combination as it felt best).

[Rojava Free State]

Why do I hear the music from curb your enthusiasm playing?

[New Lindale]

The answer to why healthcare in the US sucks today is because of PPACA. The law had increased already stringent regulations on health insurance, and competition had deteriorated and prices soared. Also, why do we keep advocating for Universal Health Care, when it is already apparent that the states already have a tax payer funded program? It is because the government wants to seize on control on the health industry, and the result will end up with poorer quality. But hey, atleast it's universal!

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19766.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 78886.html
You see, when you defin 'Universal Health Care' you actually mean nationalisation, which is we are trying avoid here in America. I am so tired of people saying we don't have social programs when we do. They just don't dominate out health system, and paiteints and medical profesionals alike wish to keep it that way.

[Fartsniffage]

I think that's one big misconception that the US has about the NHS. Everyone pays in to run the system but people are perfectly able to also have private health insurance to get priority treatment if they want to. And the costs of said insurance are well below what I read for people in the US.

Well that is closer to what I would support then. The government should cover the minimum basic healthcare needs of its citizens and permanent residents (but only at most emergency care for those who are not citizens and permanent residents) but people should be able buy and maintain additional private insurance if they choose.

Though I would only require each state to provide basic care for those who do not otherwise have it, I would leave the actual implementation up to the state (a state could use some sort of private exchange system, a government owned system or combination as it felt best).

Would it blow your mind if I said I used to have full private healthcare coverage for the princely sum of £26 per month?

[Ecradia]

Daily reminder that officially, undocumented entry into the US is merely a civil violation, with the punishment of a $50-$250 fine as well as deportation.

[Vassenor]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19766.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 78886.html
You see, when you defin 'Universal Health Care' you actually mean nationalisation, which is we are trying avoid here in America. I am so tired of people saying we don't have social programs when we do. They just don't dominate out health system, and paiteints and medical profesionals alike wish to keep it that way.

Oh hey, Alfie Evans again.

[Springfeal]

Never heard of the Ethiopian Civil War?

If it was during the civil war, that would’ve had a drastic effect on their immigration application.

I can get non emergency surgery in a week. It doesnt take 6 months to see a shrink without being suicidal. I can change shrinks on a moments notice.

It’ll also bankrupt you to do so.

Fair point on undocumented immigrant paying taxes, but as you mention for the rich, the illegals can also look for loopholes, and a majority of people on the argument of the rich paying taxes do not mention the loopholes, and just want to raise the rate, and generally the rate gets increased across the board as well.

Actually, the IRS audits the poor the same rate as the rich, and the poor have less lawyers, time and accountants with which to hide their stuff. So, no, they typically can’t look for loopholes.

As for the loopholes, most of the voting populace thinks we should close the loopholes and then raise rates.

It did affect their application by making things much harder. They came under intense scrutiny to make sure they weren't connected to any war crimes or any of the atrocities. And, they got in.

[Kowani]

I never claimed that most Americans file for bankruptcy because of healthcare costs…
However, it is also true that the cost of healthcare is becoming long-term untenable, and that’s without including the actual coverage or quality.
“Unless you’re Jeff Bezos, people don’t have very good alternatives, because the insurance that is available and affordable to people, or that most people’s employers provide them, is not adequate protection if you’re sick”

About That…

Well we do need healthcare reform but regardless most people will never have a disease such that creates these conditions.
Also bankruptcy is actually to protect the debtor.

Anyways your source on shows a plurality (not even a majority FEEL the healthcare reform helped more than hurt. (What people feel is the case and actually is is different).

Would you like a source for that, then?

It was not all bad, but not all good.
And the simple fact is this is something you have to take into account.
If you are going to make 49% suffer to benefit 51%, you are still getting massive pushback from that 49%.

I am aware.

[Kowani]

So let's see your evidence that universal state-funded healthcare will "will end up with poorer quality".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19766.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 78886.html
You see, when you defin 'Universal Health Care' you actually mean nationalisation, which is we are trying avoid here in America. I am so tired of people saying we don't have social programs when we do. They just don't dominate out health system, and paiteints and medical profesionals alike wish to keep it that way.

Seriously, budget cuts. The reason you hear all these horror stories about the NHS is because it doesn’t get enough funding.

Also, Citations needed.

[Kowani]

If it was during the civil war, that would’ve had a drastic effect on their immigration application.


It’ll also bankrupt you to do so.


Actually, the IRS audits the poor the same rate as the rich, and the poor have less lawyers, time and accountants with which to hide their stuff. So, no, they typically can’t look for loopholes.

As for the loopholes, most of the voting populace thinks we should close the loopholes and then raise rates.

It did affect their application by making things much harder. They came under intense scrutiny to make sure they weren't connected to any war crimes or any of the atrocities. And, they got in.

Well that’s nice, but that’s not an option for most people.

[Vassenor]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19766.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 78886.html
You see, when you defin 'Universal Health Care' you actually mean nationalisation, which is we are trying avoid here in America. I am so tired of people saying we don't have social programs when we do. They just don't dominate out health system, and paiteints and medical profesionals alike wish to keep it that way.

Seriously, budget cuts. The reason you hear all these horror stories about the NHS is because it doesn’t get enough funding.

Also, Citations needed.

Especially when one is an edge case that is really just a case of the kid's parents refusing to listen when every medical professional told them their son's case was terminal.

[Khabarovsk Kray]

Incredibly bizarre how the same people railing for $15 minimum wage and free universal healthcare also want to open the borders and these services to the entire world.

[Vassenor]

Incredibly bizarre how the same people railing for $15 minimum wage and free universal healthcare also want to open the borders and these services to the entire world.

Today in "shit nobody has said"...

[Ifreann]

Duh, if it isn't done for profit then it's bad. How can you possibly have a good healthcare system that's only focussed on caring for people's health? Someone needs to be getting rich. Ideally someone already rich.

It's more a matter of people would be more willing to go under a free universal system and thus doctors (who would probably be making less at that point and thus less people are likely to go into the profession) would have less time for individual patients and overall care quality would decrease.

I believe the UK also had problems with its doctors leaving to go overseas where they make better money.

And you can't just hire more doctors or pay them more unless you're operating for-profit. Money can only come from selling things for a profit. Taxes aren't real.

[Springfeal]

It did affect their application by making things much harder. They came under intense scrutiny to make sure they weren't connected to any war crimes or any of the atrocities. And, they got in.

Well that’s nice, but that’s not an option for most people.

Except it is. It all goes to show that as long as you are not too lazy to work hard to get the qualifications you need and have no ties with criminal organizations or violent groups, then you can legally immigrate