Who follows Jainism

[The Imperial Navy]

Jainism is not as bad as Islam

whats wrong with islam?

Their dental plan is horrible.

[Soniere]

Also, I do not want to preech to people, that is completly wrong and goes against Jain philosphy.

This is one reason why I like Jains. Religions that don't want to preach to me get a big thumbs up in my book.

[Caninope]

Killing is wrong, full stop. Though many humans think it is ok to kill, because we have the power to, doesnt mean we should, and I know many people will just dispute what I have said, but sorry it is what I believe and I am entitled to this opinion.

What about in self-defense?

[The Adrian Empire]

Having practised all of it's principles for an entire week for a school project, I have a profound respect for it's adherents. Though I HATE every single tenant! Below is a list for why:

1. I love eating meat, I love eating cheese, I love killing small animals I understand the need for pest control, therefore I could never stick to Jainism strict dietary laws.
2. Non-violence is something I do not agree with, I am a strong believer in the statement (paraphrased) "That evil prospers when good men fail to act" Jains believe that interfering with such evil is something of an evil in itself, I can not understand a belief that we should stand back and allow those with evil hearts to control us, to kill us when we could fight. I respect any person who would allow themselves to die for their morals absolutely, but I cannot understand a person who would not prevent evil actions by resisting an evil person.

[Natapoc]

wow u have a good understanding. I am a Jain, and very proud It has been told that one of the 24 holy teachers was really a lady and there is a lot of contriversty within the religion to do with this. I myself believe it was a lady, because I think all living beings can reach enlightenment once they have destroyed all good and bad karma.

Thanks

How long have you been a Jain? Do you live in India? If so what part?

[Neu Mitanni]

I'm sure Jainism has its positive aspects. If they don't want to eat meat, fine, that just leaves more for me. I do think Jains exaggerate the "don't kill anything" idea, which I find to be extremely idealistic and with little basis or justification in reality. But, to each his own, as long as it doesn't bother me.

[Tmutarakhan]

Perhaps Maharashtra is the richest state in India because it is home to more sensible traditions than some other parts of India?

1.3% of the Maharashtra population?
The vast majority are still Hindus.

But there are many different kinds of Hindus. By saying it is home to "traditions" rather than just saying home to "Jains" I was meaning to say that Jainism is part of a cultural pattern more conducive to everyone getting along than the more repressive patterns in some other parts of India.

[Trollgaard]

I whole heartedly disagree with Jainism.

Its every tenant go against human nature. Jainsism is a pationless religion. It is soul killing in the sense that you can't do a damn thing while your alive. Jainism denies everything that makes life great.

[Jinstalia]

Also, I do not want to preech to people, that is completly wrong and goes against Jain philosphy.

This is one reason why I like Jains. Religions that don't want to preach to me get a big thumbs up in my book.

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Thats good , I hate preaching too, it is not good to force one upon religion. But learning about a religion is different, so thats why I like being a Jain too

[Jinstalia]

wow u have a good understanding. I am a Jain, and very proud It has been told that one of the 24 holy teachers was really a lady and there is a lot of contriversty within the religion to do with this. I myself believe it was a lady, because I think all living beings can reach enlightenment once they have destroyed all good and bad karma.

Thanks

How long have you been a Jain? Do you live in India? If so what part?

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Well my whole family are Jains, all of us are Jains so I was brought up as a baby a Jain. I love it
I don't live in India, I live in the United Kingdom (England)

[Jinstalia]

I whole heartedly disagree with Jainism.

Its every tenant go against human nature. Jainsism is a pationless religion. It is soul killing in the sense that you can't do a damn thing while your alive. Jainism denies everything that makes life great.

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To call Jainism pationless is disgusting. I think that is one of the biggest lies I have heard off. Its so silly how one isn't open to just learning about other cultures, but like I said before, everyone is entitled to there opinion, and if thats your opinion, then good for you.

[Jinstalia]

Jinstalia, I admire your passion, but to say "I would rather die than eat meat" seems to me about as extreme as saying "I would rather die than wear clothes." The alternative for those animals is not that they would live longer, but that they would not live at all. I agree that suffering should not be inflicted on animals, and I oppose killing wild creatures who owe nothing to us, and I think excessive reliance on meat makes it more difficult to feed everyone in the world, but that is as far as I will go.

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I wasnt acctually being extreme, it is what I believe in, I would defonatly rather die than ever eat meat. It makes me sick to event think of myself eating a animal that has been killed for the purpose of eating when there are perfectally good one sense beings (vegetables and fruits and all vegetarian things) to eat.

[Soniere]

It is soul killing in the sense that you can't do a damn thing while your alive. Jainism denies everything that makes life great.

I find this statement ironic, in that Jainism's (and plenty of others) philosophical focus centers particularly on the Self/soul/afterlife/dharma/whatever other term you want to use for it.

[The Parkus Empire]

I'm sorry, but Veganism is not going to give at 99% without insane amounts of diet supplements.

Being a healthy vegan isn't hard, even if supplements are involved. A couple of pills a day can cover everything. Personally, I feel that most meat-eaters tend not to exercise enough to burn all that they're consuming. For a sedentary life style, I think veganism is fine. Even for an active lifestyle, veganism is doable. To develop a "manly" physique, more supplements would be required, but even so, most meat-eating body-builders use numerous supplements themselves.

Jainism admires fasting, so it isn't about health, anyway. It puts spiritual progress above the needs of the body.

[The Parkus Empire]

I whole heartedly disagree with Jainism.

Its every tenant go against human nature. Jainsism is a pationless religion. It is soul killing in the sense that you can't do a damn thing while your alive. Jainism denies everything that makes life great.

What makes their lives great is different from what makes your life great. For instance, tobacco, caffeine and booze are what make my life worth living, all of which Mormonism prohibits; yet most Mormons I know are fairly happy people.

[Risottia]

Jainism is not as bad as Islam

whats wrong with islam?

Their dental plan is horrible.

But their retirement plan is wonderful. Who else gives you girls galore?

[Angleter]

I prefer my own religion, Christianity. Then Zoroastrianism in second. Then Sikhism third. Islam fourth.

[Angleter]

Jainism is not as bad as Islam

whats wrong with islam?

Their dental plan is horrible.

But their retirement plan is wonderful. Who else gives you girls galore?

That's a mistranslation. It's actually dried fruit.

[RH-34]

Cows are quite happy to be milked. We selected through ages the cows so that they now produce awesome amounts of milk every day, even when they don't have to feed a calf. You have to milk them at least one time every day, if you don't they suffer like crazy.

This is false. Cows do not produce milk when they do not have a calf to feed. The calf is taken away from them and the cow is pumped with hormones to force it's body to produce more milk.

BAWHAHAHA. You've never been on a dairy, have you? I own goats and several of them have had the kids pulled. A couple of these had this happen over a month ago. Still getting milk. Last year, I milked three does for four months before letting them dry up. Two of those had been milked for a month prior to me purchasing them. The whole "hormones are required for an animal to produce milk" bit is such a farce. Do some research instead of relying on animal rights/vegan fed propaganda.
/rant

Anyways. Not a religion I'd bother with. I like meat too much. I also raise animals for meat and like taxidermy..So it doesn't work too well...Plus the rules against women mildly grinds my gears since I'm..Well, female This doesn't factor in the fact that I'm atheist, either.

[The Parkus Empire]

BAWHAHAHA. You've never been on a dairy, have you? I own goats and several of them have had the kids pulled. A couple of these had this happen over a month ago. Still getting milk. Last year, I milked three does for four months before letting them dry up. Two of those had been milked for a month prior to me purchasing them. The whole "hormones are required for an animal to produce milk" bit is such a farce. Do some research instead of relying on animal rights/vegan fed propaganda.
/rant

She's talking about larger farms, which will want milk from a cow considerably longer than four months. She is also probably concerned about what happens to pulled calves--which is death.

[Natapoc]

Cows are quite happy to be milked. We selected through ages the cows so that they now produce awesome amounts of milk every day, even when they don't have to feed a calf. You have to milk them at least one time every day, if you don't they suffer like crazy.

This is false. Cows do not produce milk when they do not have a calf to feed. The calf is taken away from them and the cow is pumped with hormones to force it's body to produce more milk.

BAWHAHAHA. You've never been on a dairy, have you? I own goats and several of them have had the kids pulled. A couple of these had this happen over a month ago. Still getting milk. Last year, I milked three does for four months before letting them dry up. Two of those had been milked for a month prior to me purchasing them. The whole "hormones are required for an animal to produce milk" bit is such a farce. Do some research instead of relying on animal rights/vegan fed propaganda.

I'll start a new thread sometime on the treatment of animals in most dairy facilities. I actually DO know what I'm talking about. What I said is true of most, but not all, milk. Clearly I was not even talking about goats or their treatment.

It IS true that a cow must have a calf first (although it may be possible to induce lactation with hormones) In order to produce milk. You seem to have totally misunderstood what I was talking about.

At any rate this thread is about Jains. Not veganism. Many Jains do drink milk although some are vegan also. One Jain I spoke with drinks milk because he considers the cow to be like the mother of people.

[RH-34]

BAWHAHAHA. You've never been on a dairy, have you? I own goats and several of them have had the kids pulled. A couple of these had this happen over a month ago. Still getting milk. Last year, I milked three does for four months before letting them dry up. Two of those had been milked for a month prior to me purchasing them. The whole "hormones are required for an animal to produce milk" bit is such a farce. Do some research instead of relying on animal rights/vegan fed propaganda.
/rant

She's talking about larger farms, which will want milk from a cow considerably longer than four months. She also is probably concerned about what happens to pulled calves--which is death.

The reason I dried mine up is because they were cycling which effects the milk flavor..Plus the goat kids had been weaned. Had I wanted to, I could have kept milking them for several more months A good doe, or cow, can be milked up until about a month before she's due to have her offspring. The offspring are raised on the bottle. The females are either sold, or bred when old enough. The males are either sold to other farms or sent to auction. It's a waste of time to kill all the offspring. If you do, you're losing money. Both potential, and the money put into the dam during pregnancy.

[Natapoc]

BAWHAHAHA. You've never been on a dairy, have you? I own goats and several of them have had the kids pulled. A couple of these had this happen over a month ago. Still getting milk. Last year, I milked three does for four months before letting them dry up. Two of those had been milked for a month prior to me purchasing them. The whole "hormones are required for an animal to produce milk" bit is such a farce. Do some research instead of relying on animal rights/vegan fed propaganda.
/rant

She's talking about larger farms, which will want milk from a cow considerably longer than four months. She is also probably concerned about what happens to pulled calves--which is death.

Exactly. Also before I was a vegan I drank raw milk from a neighbor's farm and I saw the calf and the mother and them milking it. Don't think I'm some city vegan who has never seen anything and can be fooled so easily.

[The Parkus Empire]

The reason I dried mine up is because they were cycling which effects the milk flavor..Plus the goat kids had been weaned. Had I wanted to, I could have kept milking them for several more months A good doe, or cow, can be milked up until about a month before she's due to have her offspring. The offspring are raised on the bottle. The females are either sold, or bred when old enough. The males are either sold to other farms or sent to auction. It's a waste of time to kill all the offspring. If you do, you're losing money. Both potential, and the money put into the dam during pregnancy.

"Vegans and some other vegetarians do not consume milk for a variety of reasons. They may object to features of dairy farming including the necessity of killing almost all the male offspring of dairy cows (either by disposal soon after birth, for veal production, or for beef), the routine separation of mother and calf soon after birth, other perceived inhumane treatment of dairy cattle, and culling of cows after their productive lives.[72]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk

[RH-34]

The reason I dried mine up is because they were cycling which effects the milk flavor..Plus the goat kids had been weaned. Had I wanted to, I could have kept milking them for several more months A good doe, or cow, can be milked up until about a month before she's due to have her offspring. The offspring are raised on the bottle. The females are either sold, or bred when old enough. The males are either sold to other farms or sent to auction. It's a waste of time to kill all the offspring. If you do, you're losing money. Both potential, and the money put into the dam during pregnancy.

"Vegans and some other vegetarians do not consume milk for a variety of reasons. They may object to features of dairy farming including the necessity of killing almost all the male offspring of dairy cows (either by disposal soon after birth, for veal production, or for beef), the routine separation of mother and calf soon after birth, other perceived inhumane treatment of dairy cattle, and culling of cows after their productive lives.[72]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk

120+ animals isn't exactly small..