Should pit bulls be regulated or banned?

[Jarian]

No, we shouldn't genocide an entire race because people falsely believe them to be dangerous.

As for regulation, people will just illegally own unregistered dogs for fighting and other unethical activities.

[Scomagia]

Companionship, security, therapy, sport.

I just gave you four very, very easily discernable reasons.

These reasons apply as well; and probably apply better; to other breeds.

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

You're just being a busybody and don't know shit about dogs. It's pretty obvious.

[Scomagia]

You're more likely to die from being killed by a person than either of those.

You know what this means....

Dogs' personalities are caused by human beings. Pit bulls were bred for aggression. Other breeds; for the most part; were not.

There is a breed of dog whose personality is NOT a product of human beings. It's called the wolf, and it's INCREDIBLY aggressive. The only reason they're not as deadly as pit bulls is because most people actually have the sense to avoid them, which is more than can be said for pit bulls.

Oops, looks like someone doesn't know anything about dog breeds. "Bred for aggression". Yeah, animal aggression, not human aggression. Large animal aggression, specifically, just like any other game dog.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

No, we shouldn't genocide an entire race because people falsely believe them to be dangerous.

Pit bulls are artificially selected. Humans were naturally selected, except in the early 1940s. Incidentally, eugenics is more analogous to artificial selection than either are to natural selection.

When you artificially select for certain traits, it's more clear-cut which traits were selected for. Nature's a little more tight-lipped about which personalities it gave each race, or there'd be a little less dispute about this.

As for regulation, people will just illegally own unregistered dogs for fighting and other unethical activities.

Then up the ante by executing people for dogfighting.

[Petrolheadia]

Pit bulls have been banned in the UK since 1991.

But what if you have a loicense?

[Godular]

Fucking dachshunds are so mean tempered and quick to bite. They should totally be banned /nod.

You are equating a dog that weighs as much as a starter dumbell to an dog that can kill bulls.

One: They were bred to hunt badgers. That's badass enough.

Two: I was being facetious.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nope, let dog companions reap the risks and rewards of having a pit bull.

Well the problem is that when a demonic dogsitter lets her pitbulls kill a cat in front of its owner and laughs about it in front of them, and the dogs get to stay with their owners rather than being destroyed, that is a situation where the "dog companions" are not the ones reaping the risks.

Casual reminder that this is why you should always have a gun on hand, that dog should been put down ASAP.

[Ors Might]

These reasons apply as well; and probably apply better; to other breeds.

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

You're just being a busybody and don't know shit about dogs. It's pretty obvious.

Honestly, its not that pit bulls are even that much more aggressive than other dog breeds as much as they are incredibly easy to train. Pit bulls respond incredibly well to positive feedback. If you encourage certain behaviors, they are far more likely to replicate that behavior. They want to please their owners. So if they’re only given positive feedback when they bite another living thing, they will start biting other living things to gain affection. It’s similar to how police dogs are trained to attack criminals.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

Food in general causes a lot of choking death. The alternative to having food at all would be starvation.

Hot dogs, I would presume, cause a disproportionate chunk of them for their slippery surface, but it's their slippery surface that allows them to be grilled quickly enough to be disinfected and therefore fit for consumption.

Pit bulls, on the other hand, are just a hill to die on for people who can't face the fact that different breeds were bred for different traits, and I don't just mean appearance.

[Aclion]

Replace the word "pitbull" with "African Americans" and we can see how asinine this argument is.

that's some dark fuckin mad libs right there.

[Jarian]

Then up the ante by executing people for dogfighting.

I'm usually against the death penalty, but I'm all for this.

[The Frozen Forest]

The way i see it, there are 6,279,000 Pit Bulls in the United States and only 28 fatalities pertaining to them. I would venture to say that it is unfair to accuse a whole breed because of a few rotten apples. All breeds have the capability to act viciously-it's most likely bad owners that are causing this behavior in these dogs. As mentioned in your post, they are commonly used for fighting, as in they are trained to fight by humans.

[Godular]

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

Food in general causes a lot of choking death. The alternative to having food at all would be starvation.

Smoothies 4 lyfe.

[Restored Monarchy of The Russian Empire]

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2018.php

36 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2018. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 72% (26) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 7% of the total U.S. dog population.

In the United States, pit bulls are by far the most violent breed year after year. Initially bred for bull and bear baiting (wherein animals would be torn apart by dogs for the entertainment of onlookers), a practice so vile that even the 1500s English wanted nothing to do with it and banned the practice, pit bulls have since been bred specifically for the purpose of dogfighting and many cruel Americans continue to breed and train dogs to force them to fight eachother to the death.

Oftentimes, violent pitbulls may lash out and maul unsuspecting owners, animals, or strangers; In the latter cases, particularly sociopathic owners may even blame the mauled animal and its owner, and actively try to secure the release of dangerous pit bulls back into the community to harm more pets/people. For example a pit bull in South Africa ripped a man's poodle apart in front of him, and when he attacked the vicious animal with a knife he was arrested for animal cruelty. In another case, a pit bull killed a yorkie and was shot by the yorkie's owner, and the pit bull owner blamed the yorkie owner for the self-defense shooting. A Pomeranian was chased down by a pit bull and killed in its own home, and afterwards the pit bull's owners campaigned to have the vicious, dangerous animal not be put down, though BBCode's inconsistent and bizarre programming quirks make it impossible to link the story, here it is in code.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20160329190217/http:/thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1328181-owners-say-pit-bull’s-‘high-prey-drive’-led-to-killing-of-small-dog

Though some other dogs like Chihuahuas have aggressive tendencies, the pit bull combines these with what can only be described as an incredible capacity for dealing damage.

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• Pit bulls rip car apart attempting to kill cat hiding inside
• Pitbulls chew through minivan bumper trying to get at kitten taking refuge
• Pair of pit bull mastiffs tear their way into car's engine block to reach a cat sheltered within
• You've probably seen the meme with the dog that ate the telephone pole.

If you think this is an issue only affecting people who own pit bulls, think again. People are not even safe in their own homes:

• Two pitbulls scaled a fence in Orcutt, Connecticut and mauled a woman's German Shepherd, she shot the dogs and killed one of them
• A pit bull charged into a woman's house and mauled a PSTD-support shih tzu which later had to be euthanized due to its injuries. The dog's owners' son, only 17, risked his life to stab the attacking animal to death.
• A pit bull escaped it's fenced-in yard and happened upon a parked van with a 2 year old and 5 year old inside, the dog immediately tried to kill them but was subdued by the mother and neighbors.
• SIX pitbulls climbed a fence to kill an assistance dog.
• Pit bulls chew through fence, rush into home, hero chihuahua dies protecting 4 year old from them. Pit owners will not face charges.

Besides the problem of breed violence, shelters continue to adopt out dogs that are individually proven to be violent.
https://www.ldnews.com/story/news/local/2018/10/11/humane-society-lebanon-county-adopted-out-unsafe-and-diseased-animals-parvo-pan-leuk/1570563002/ / http://naiaonline.org/blog/shelter-rescue/adopting-out-dangerous-dogs-common-sense-shouldnt-be-uncommon/#.XSWnxq_QjyQ / https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/pets/dr-fox/some-no-kill-shelters-adopting-out-dangerous-dogs/article_e4c83b38-73d5-5dd0-8459-7102e166afee.html

Shelters destroying dangerous dogs rather than placing unsuspecting families at risk is something we should all be able to agree on regardless of position on pit bulls. Unfortunately it seems that many shelters, "humane societies" and "animal rights activists" (not in favor of the rights of all the pets ripped apart by dangerous dogs that should never have been re-homed apparently) refuse to concede even basic common sense measures like this.



Many countries have levied breed specific legislation on pit bulls, ranging from import ban, to requiring the dogs be sold only to people who can prove they will keep the dog secure both at home (with proper fences/walls) and outside (muzzle, leash laws while walking), to requiring all the dogs be spayed and neutered and banning their import; In some countries and locales, like Ecuador, extreme BSL can simply criminalize the ownership of a dog breed outright.

So NSG, I propose the question to you:
What should we do about pit bull violence, and dog violence in general (which is disproportionately and overwhelmingly represented by pit bulls)?
More specifically:

• What actions should be taken against owners of vicious dogs who bring harm to humans, pets, livestock, or property
• What action should be taken against shelters that re-home dangerous dogs?
• What should be done with vicious animals proven to be violent against other pets or people?
• Should breed-specific legislation restrict who can/can't own pit bulls?
• Should breed-specific legislation restrict who can/can't own other dog breeds?
• Should the federal government pass laws to prevent breed-specific legislation from being enacted by city governments?

In my opinion, we should take more action against shelters adopting out violent dogs of any breed, and hold owners liable for damage done by their dogs. While I don't think pit bulls should be banned, they are a dangerous breed with a clearly established pattern of violence towards other animals and people, their owners need to take more precautions than owners of most other dog breeds in making sure their dogs cannot harm others. IE: in considering criminal charges, a person having a four foot-high fence to keep his dachshund in would be much less negligent than someone with a four foot-high fence to keep a pit bull in.

I hate to be captain obvious here but blaming pitbulls for being violent is like saying a gun kills someone. In either case it's the owner's responsibility what they do with either or. In the case of pitbulls, it's the owner's responsibility to treat their dog well and not treat the dog horridly which is actually how the violent behaviour starts. It's not the dog's fault if it's owner beats it for little to no reason. A dog is like a child it learns by example and all.

So if you beat the dog then don't be surprised if it turns out violent.

Tl:dr: Don't be a brainlet who blames dogs for their owner's wrongdoings causing their behaviour.

[Fahran]

Dogs' personalities are caused by human beings. Pit bulls were bred for aggression. Other breeds; for the most part; were not.

While the predecessor to the American Pit Bull Terrier, Bull and Terriers, was bred as a baiting dog and later employed in dog fighting, the American Pit Bull Terrier eventually became a catch dog, hunting dog, and family companion and was specifically bred for these purposes. Like other working and companion dogs, a particular level of discipline is sought. And, as I stated previously, American Pit Bull Terriers are more likely than average to pass temperament tests, not really surprising in a dog bred partially to catch wild cattle without injuring them.

There is a breed of dog whose personality is NOT a product of human beings. It's called the wolf, and it's INCREDIBLY aggressive. The only reason they're not as deadly as pit bulls is because most people actually have the sense to avoid them, which is more than can be said for pit bulls.

Statistics on American Pit Bull Terrier attacks are, as I pointed out previously, extremely suspect, and likely have a lot to do with the sort of owners who tend to collect multiple pit bulls and then fail to socialize them properly.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Replace the word "pitbull" with "African Americans" and we can see how asinine this argument is.

that's some dark fuckin mad libs right there.

Pun intended?

I wouldn't rule out racial differences in personality either, but what nature selected for, over several generations of evolution in an unclear gradient of sexual selection, is less clear-cut than the ones human beings deliberately and methodically selected for, making a note of what they selected for each time.

[Petrolheadia]

(Image)

• Pit bulls rip car apart attempting to kill cat hiding inside
• Pitbulls chew through minivan bumper trying to get at kitten taking refuge
• Pair of pit bull mastiffs tear their way into car's engine block to reach a cat sheltered within
• You've probably seen the meme with the dog that ate the telephone pole.

A Toyota Yaris and a Dodge Grand Caravan. I could chew through one of those if I tried.

[Ors Might]

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

Food in general causes a lot of choking death. The alternative to having food at all would be starvation.

Hot dogs, I would presume, cause a disproportionate chunk of them for their slippery surface, but it's their slippery surface that allows them to be grilled quickly enough to be disinfected and therefore fit for consumption.

Pit bulls, on the other hand, are just a hill to die on for people who can't face the fact that different breeds were bred for different traits, and I don't just mean appearance.

Source that pit bulls not raised to fight are responsible for the majority of pit bull attacks? Or even a decent chunk of them?

[Heloin]

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

Food in general causes a lot of choking death. The alternative to having food at all would be starvation.

Hot dogs, I would presume, cause a disproportionate chunk of them for their slippery surface, but it's their slippery surface that allows them to be grilled quickly enough to be disinfected and therefore fit for consumption.

Pit bulls, on the other hand, are just a hill to die on for people who can't face the fact that different breeds were bred for different traits, and I don't just mean appearance.

Ban food.

Bunch of dog haters who don't know anything about them want to ban pit bulls because of scary news about them.

[Crockerland]

No. That's stupid. The amount of people injured by all dogs is seriously low. The amount of serious injuries and fatalities is even lower. You are more likely to die choking on a hot dog than you are to be killed by a dog. Drastically more likely. Ban hotdogs!

I don't know of any case wherein negligence around a hotdog lead to the hotdog breaking into someone else's home and mauling them, though that has happened with dogs, especially pit bulls, many times. There's a difference between the type of negligence where you're putting yourself in danger (climbing on an unstable ladder, never wearing eye or ear protection when handling heavy equipment, having sex with random strangers who might have STDs) and the type where you're putting others in danger (drunk driving, texting and driving, having an unsecured dangerous animal).

You are equating a dog that weighs as much as a starter dumbell to an dog that can kill bulls.

Pitbulls cannot kill bulls on their own. Jesus Christ. That's like calling hounds "cougar killers" or Catahoulas "boar killers". It's dumb. So very dumb.

Well this is false.
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Bellefonte-farmers-speaking-out-after-dogs-attacked-cattle--512238501.html?fbclid=IwAR0UwL5pYd1aCEtn85ZCZCde-iaBEqqAz2PbwiWbZyA-GR5GvlOjdCV-JVw
They mostly kill calves but can also destroy the mouths of cows, preventing them from eating.

They can also kill horses among other large animals such as alpacas and donkeys, which can distinctly not be killed by wiener dogs.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

While the predecessor to the American Pit Bull Terrier, Bull and Terriers, was bred as a baiting dog and later employed in dog fighting, the American Pit Bull Terrier eventually became a catch dog, hunting dog, and family companion and was specifically bred for these purposes. Like other working and companion dogs, a particular level of discipline is sought. And, as I stated previously, American Pit Bull Terriers are more likely than average to pass temperament tests, not really surprising in a dog bred partially to catch wild cattle without injuring them.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere.

But even then, why not at least require someone to state what business they have owning a pit bull, and hold these owners to a higher level of scrutiny accordingly. That would fall under the "regulated" implied in the topic title.

Statistics on American Pit Bull Terrier attacks are, as I pointed out previously, extremely suspect, and likely have a lot to do with the sort of owners who tend to collect multiple pit bulls and then fail to socialize them properly.

Then propose a methodology that would precisely correct for that. Otherwise all it looks like your side is doing is deliberately ignoring evidence that the breed is harmful.

[Scomagia]

And hotdogs are far from the best travel food. Yet you don't want them banned despite their causing many more deaths than all dog breeds combined.

Food in general causes a lot of choking death. The alternative to having food at all would be starvation.

Hot dogs, I would presume, cause a disproportionate chunk of them for their slippery surface, but it's their slippery surface that allows them to be grilled quickly enough to be disinfected and therefore fit for consumption.

Pit bulls, on the other hand, are just a hill to die on for people who can't face the fact that different breeds were bred for different traits, and I don't just mean appearance.

"Pit bulls" aren't really a breed. It's a category.

[Petrolheadia]

No. That's stupid. The amount of people injured by all dogs is seriously low. The amount of serious injuries and fatalities is even lower. You are more likely to die choking on a hot dog than you are to be killed by a dog. Drastically more likely. Ban hotdogs!

I don't know of any case wherein negligence around a hotdog lead to the hotdog breaking into someone else's home and mauling them, though that has happened with dogs, especially pit bulls, many times.

28. You're far more likely to buy a Rolls-Royce Phantom or get struck by lightning.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I don't know of any case wherein negligence around a hotdog lead to the hotdog breaking into someone else's home and mauling them, though that has happened with dogs, especially pit bulls, many times.

28. You're far more likely to buy a Rolls-Royce Phantom or get struck by lightning.

And pit bull ownership; or the legality thereof; does nothing to prevent lightning strike deaths.

[Petrolheadia]

28. You're far more likely to buy a Rolls-Royce Phantom or get struck by lightning.

And pit bull ownership; or the legality thereof; does nothing to prevent lightning strike deaths.

It does nothing to prevent a meaningful number of deaths.