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Postby Memenferno » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:56 am

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-Astoria wrote:[X] doubt :eyebrow:
Reason: yours truly has been chased by at least 10 of them after simply walking by & minding his own business.

Anecdotal experience does not trump statistics. I'd honestly go so far as to say that at least two of the breeds categorized as pit bulls are sweeter, gentler, and more obedient on average than others dogs based solely on their higher than average pass rate for temperament tests, a statistic that has been recorded and is reliable in answering such questions with a controlled population.

Pit bulls aren't really the interesting breed for me, but I second this. What may be true to one's experience is not necessarily the same for those from the rest of the world.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:09 am

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Senkaku wrote:But we shouldn't because they're sweet animals like any other dog. <3

[X] doubt :eyebrow:
Reason: yours truly has been chased by at least 10 of them after simply walking by & minding his own business.

You could have been the cause of the chasing for all we know.
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Postby -Astoria » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:10 am

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-Astoria wrote:[X] doubt :eyebrow:
Reason: yours truly has been chased by at least 10 of them after simply walking by & minding his own business.

You could have been the cause of the chasing for all we know.

So I somehow "caused" it by walking past, and at a distance away from them? Is that what you're saying?
:eyebrow: Think about it for a minute.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:14 am

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Senkaku wrote:But we shouldn't because they're sweet animals like any other dog. <3

[X] doubt :eyebrow:
Reason: yours truly has been chased by at least 10 of them after simply walking by & minding his own business.

Yes because a few Pitt Bulls that were likely abused are totally representatives of all of the Pitt Bulls in the world. :roll: It´s not like Pitt Bulls can be sweet normal dogs if raised correctly and violent if raised wrong. Nope Pitt Bulls are just a bunch of inherently aggressive dogs that attack people on sight. :eyebrow:
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:14 am

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Scomagia wrote:You could have been the cause of the chasing for all we know.

So I somehow "caused" it by walking past, and at a distance away from them? Is that what you're saying?
:eyebrow: Think about it for a minute.

Did you run when they "chased" you? I just find it difficult to believe that ten separate dogs chased you for no reason and that you didn't commit an error in dealing with them.
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-Astoria wrote:[X] doubt :eyebrow:
Reason: yours truly has been chased by at least 10 of them after simply walking by & minding his own business.

Yes because a few Pitt Bulls that were likely abused are totally representatives of all of the Pitt Bulls in the world. :roll: It´s not like Pitt Bulls can be sweet normal dogs if raised correctly and violent if raised wrong. Nope Pitt Bulls are just a bunch of inherently aggressive dogs that attack people on sight. :eyebrow:

The bolded gave me a horrific image of dogs with Brad Pitt's face. :shock:
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:19 am

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Andsed wrote:Yes because a few Pitt Bulls that were likely abused are totally representatives of all of the Pitt Bulls in the world. :roll: It´s not like Pitt Bulls can be sweet normal dogs if raised correctly and violent if raised wrong. Nope Pitt Bulls are just a bunch of inherently aggressive dogs that attack people on sight. :eyebrow:

The bolded gave me a horrific image of dogs with Brad Pitt's face. :shock:

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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:20 am

They are like that because of being trained. Humans are even more fatal to humans, should we be regulated or banned as well?

Simply ban (and enforce well) any and all encouraging of violence.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:20 am

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Scomagia wrote:The bolded gave me a horrific image of dogs with Brad Pitt's face. :shock:

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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:21 am

You're out of your fucking mind if you believe this. Pit bulls aren't the problem, their owners are.

Chihuahuas, on the other hand...
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:22 am

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:They are like that because of being trained. Humans are even more fatal to humans, should we be regulated or banned as well?

Yes. :p

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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:22 am

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:You're out of your fucking mind if you believe this. Pit bulls aren't the problem, their owners are.

Chihuahuas, on the other hand...

I'm met some cool chihuahuas.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:23 am

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Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:You're out of your fucking mind if you believe this. Pit bulls aren't the problem, their owners are.

Chihuahuas, on the other hand...

I'm met some cool chihuahuas.

Fucking where? Every Chihuahua I've ever met has either tried to rip my hand off or rip my toes off. I've literally never met a nice chihuahua in my ~2 decades of living.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:25 am

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:You're out of your fucking mind if you believe this. Pit bulls aren't the problem, their owners are.

Chihuahuas, on the other hand...

Seriously though my grandparents have a three dogs. A Chihuahua, German Shepard, and a Pit Bull. The German Shepard is a sweetheart and the Pit Bull is a bit of a loner due to being abused. The Chihuahua however is a bit of a dick. Like seriously the thing never shuts up.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:26 am

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Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:You're out of your fucking mind if you believe this. Pit bulls aren't the problem, their owners are.

Chihuahuas, on the other hand...

Seriously though my grandparents have a three dogs. A Chihuahua, German Shepard, and a Pit Bull. The German Shepard is a sweetheart and the Pit Bull is a bit of a loner due to being abused. The Chihuahua however is a bit of a dick. Like seriously the thing never shuts up.

Chihuahuas are great if you like a dog with a Napoleon complex :p
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:28 am

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Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:You're out of your fucking mind if you believe this. Pit bulls aren't the problem, their owners are.

Chihuahuas, on the other hand...

Seriously though my grandparents have a three dogs. A Chihuahua, German Shepard, and a Pit Bull. The German Shepard is a sweetheart and the Pit Bull is a bit of a loner due to being abused. The Chihuahua however is a bit of a dick. Like seriously the thing never shuts up.

I know the feeling. My friend has a Staffordshire Terrier (like yours truly, except mine's a pitty/staffy mix) and a Chihuahua. The Staffordshire is the sweetest baby I've ever met, but the Chihuahua is literally Satan. One time it bit me and I had to get 6 stitches in my hand. I still have the scar.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:33 am

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I'm met some cool chihuahuas.

Fucking where? Every Chihuahua I've ever met has either tried to rip my hand off or rip my toes off. I've literally never met a nice chihuahua in my ~2 decades of living.

One was pure chihuahua. He's a chill little snuggle bug who just wants to play.

The other was a Boston Terrier/ Chihuahua mix. He, too, is a chill little snuggle bug who just wants to play. Also, he has a super cute thing he does where he kinda dances when he has a bone or hoof.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:35 am

Twenty six deaths?

Compared to how many pit bulls that didn't kill anybody? Thousands?
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:35 am

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:They are like that because of being trained. Humans are even more fatal to humans, should we be regulated or banned as well?

Simply ban (and enforce well) any and all encouraging of violence.
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I agree that we should not ban based on breeds. But dangerous dogs regardless of breed should be put down, and their owners held accountable. And if it is found the owners deliberately raised the dogs for illegal purposes, encouraged or willingly, recklessly or extremely negligently allowed their dangerous dogs to attack, there should be extremely severe criminal charges.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:36 am

Novus America wrote:
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:They are like that because of being trained. Humans are even more fatal to humans, should we be regulated or banned as well?

Simply ban (and enforce well) any and all encouraging of violence.
My neighbour has one that would just lick you to death.


I agree that we should not ban based on breeds. But dangerous dogs regardless of breed should be put down, and their owners held accountable. And if it is found the owners deliberately raised the dogs for illegal purposes, encouraged or willing, recklessly or extremely negligently allowed their dangerous dogs to attack, their should be extremely severe criminal charges.

Why kill a dog for something you would not kill a human for?
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:36 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Twenty six deaths?

Compared to how many pit bulls that didn't kill anybody? Thousands?

Millions.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:37 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Twenty six deaths?

Compared to how many pit bulls that didn't kill anybody? Thousands?

I believe there are around 3 millions dogs classified as Pit Bulls in the US. So yeah I would say 26 is a very tiny drop in the bucket to say the least.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Twenty six deaths?

Compared to how many pit bulls that didn't kill anybody? Thousands?

Millions.

And this means it's a problem how?
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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:41 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fahran wrote:Millions.

And this means it's a problem how?

Apparently some consider 26 incidents justification to spend millions of dollars in banning a certain breed of dogs. So you know your typical making a mountain out of a molehill fear mongering.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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I agree that we should not ban based on breeds. But dangerous dogs regardless of breed should be put down, and their owners held accountable. And if it is found the owners deliberately raised the dogs for illegal purposes, encouraged or willing, recklessly or extremely negligently allowed their dangerous dogs to attack, their should be extremely severe criminal charges.

Why kill a dog for something you would not kill a human for?


Umm... I never said that. I cannot really go into that on this site, though I am not against the death penalty for dangerous criminals who have done such things.

Also dogs and humans are different.

A violent dog is a danger. And it is nearly impossible to fix so putting it down is the best way to ensure it never commits another attack.

Also maybe dogs over say 50 pounds/20 kilos require you get a license and complete some training.
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