Should pit bulls be regulated or banned?

[Crockerland]

Replace the word "pitbull" with "African Americans" and we can see how asinine this argument is.

What's going on big guy? You just compared black people to animals that people own, I saw you do it.

[Rojava Free State]

You know why pitbulls tend to be responsible for more attacks? Because their owners raise them to act that way. Most pitbulls I've met were very nice dogs like any other dog. Once again the actions of a few bad apples are blamed on a whole breed of pooches who didn't even choose to be pitbulls. They just were born pitbulls. So no, it isn't time to ban any dog, because no entire breed should be blamed for dog attacks, which happen in all breeds and are really based on how the owner raises their dog

Pretty much yeah. When I was a kid it was alsations. Had the absolute worst rep as dangerous, evil dogs second only to hellhounds.

It was bollocks then and it's bollocks now. Barring a few outliers, dogs are like people. Their environment tends to shape their personality.

As you said, if pitbulls were outlawed, people who wanted aggressive dogs would soon find another breed.

I owned a dog named nadia for nine years along with her sister izzy. Their entire family line was aggressive as hell and they were pure blood collies, which are supposedly very nice dogs. I was bitten four times by Nadia and her one sister who I didn't own actually gutted another dog a few years back. Izzy was fine but her son blue who I had for a few months before I gave him to someone else was very territorial and crazy as a loon. When people talk about how a dog breed acts, it's bullshit. Dogs are dogs. They all tend to do pretty similar stuff and a lot of their behavior is related to how they're trained and brought up. I could raise a great Dane to be a heartless killer and I could raise a poodle to herd animals for me. Dogs are individuals like people

[Grotesque Spore Creatures]

NO. The answer to violence is not "ban, ban, ban".

[Bluelight-R006]

NO. The answer to violence is not "ban, ban, ban".

Yes. Humanity has always made compromises that have led to an ease of the violence. I’d say pitbulls be given to responsible and trusted owners in record. Surely, just an amateur owner can handle a pitbull.

[-Ocelot-]

Ugh, has anti-pit bull bias spread to NSG now? No thanks. Next thread.

NSG is basically /pol/ and /pol/ has anti-pit bull threads all the time. They called them "the n-word of dog breeds".

[The New California Republic]

Pit bulls have been banned in the UK since 1991.

One of the most stupid unenforceable pieces of knee jerk legislation ever.

But it is enforced though. Almost 5,000 dogs were seized in a three year period on suspicion that they were a banned breed.

[San Carlos Islands]

Ugh, has anti-pit bull bias spread to NSG now? No thanks. Next thread.

NSG is basically /pol/ and /pol/ has anti-pit bull threads all the time. They called them "the n-word of dog breeds".

>NSG is basically /pol/

NSG is nothing like /pol/

t. someone who spends more time than they should posting on 4chan /pol/ and lurking on 8chan /pol/

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

One of the most stupid unenforceable pieces of knee jerk legislation ever.

But it is enforced though. Almost 5,000 dogs were seized in a three year period on suspicion that they were a banned breed.

Yet I see people walking around with pit bulls all the time.

[Nakena]

Sale should be restricted.

Ugh, has anti-pit bull bias spread to NSG now? No thanks. Next thread.

NSG is basically /pol/ and /pol/ has anti-pit bull threads all the time. They called them "the n-word of dog breeds".

I can't tell if you are serious or memeing.

[Scomagia]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_8112394

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 17.1387550

Another source of inaccuracy about breed is the breed identification itself, such as when presumed breed is self-reported by bite victims or their family, friends, or others. For example, Kasbekar et al. (2013 Kasbekar, A. V., Garfit, H., Duncan, C., Mehta, B., Davies, K., Narasimham, G., & Donne, A. J. (2013). Dog bites to the head and neck in children; an increasing problem in the UK. Clinical Otolaryngology, 38(3), 259–262. doi:10.1111/coa.12094
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Data relating to presumed breed may also be unreliable when obtained either from news accounts or hospital records, where the authors assume that whatever is written is reliable evidence (e.g., Chiam, Solanki, Lodge, Higgins, & Sparnon, 2014 Chiam, S. C., Solanki, N. S., Lodge, M., Higgins, M., & Sparnon, A. L. (2014). Retrospective review of dog bite injuries in children presenting to a South Australian tertiary children’s hospital emergency department. Journal of Paediatrics and Child Health, 50(10), 791–794. doi:10.1111/jpc.12642
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) and fail to integrate into their data analysis the difficulty of accurate breed identification, a problem long recognized and demonstrated even now among dog professionals (Olson et al., 2015 Olson, K. R., Levy, J. K., Norby, B., Crandall, M. M., Broadhurst, J. E., Jacks, S., & Zimmerman, M. S. (2015). Inconsistent identification of pit bull-type dogs by shelter staff. The Veterinary Journal, 206(2), 197–202. doi:10.1016/j.tvjl.2015.07.019
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). Nor did these studies attempt to address the problem through pedigree documentation.

Based on a population of about 72 million dogs in the United States and conservatively assuming that each bite represented a different dog, this would mean that more than 93% of dogs did not bite anyone. Further, the same ICARIS data estimated that only 19% of those responding positively to the question reported seeking medical treatment of any kind (Gilchrist et al., 2008 Gilchrist, J., Sacks, J. J., White, D., & Kresnow, M. J. (2008). Dog bites: Still a problem? Injury Prevention, 14(5), 296–301. doi:10.1136/ip.2007.016220
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), implying that the percentage of dogs not inflicting an injury for which a person sought medical treatment is greater than 98%.

Anti-pit hysteria is stupid, as is dog bite hysteria in general. The articles written about dog attacks are full of all kinds of yellow-journalism bullshit, unsurprisingly.

[Hirota]

This is a case of blaming the dog for how they were nurtured. It's the owners and breeders who should be punished, not the animals.

[South Acren]

Wow your actually serious. I though this was a late April Fools joke. My opinion? Hell no. As an owner of a bull mastiff pit mix, this is the most bs I've heard since "Should America become a monarchy" its the way they were raised not the pit themselfs. If you treat a dog horribly, its not going to be nice and cuddly. My dog is a mix of one of the supposed "dangerous dogs in the us" and yet all she is, is an overgrown lap dog. Maybe next time think before you seriously consider something like this, just think about it for a moment.

[Trollgaard]

Umm, no?

I've worked in the animal welfare environment for 11 years...I've been bitten by a goldendoodle and a lab. Never a pit bull.

Pit bulls are a very energetic breed, however, and many have what is called High Arousal- meaning when they get worked up its hard for them to calm down, essentially. Owners need to know how to handle their dogs, and know what situations to avoid with dogs.

However, OP.

You make it sound like there is damned epidemic of dog attacks in the country. There isn't. Do dogs kill people from time to time? Yes. Is it any significant number that people should actually think of banning dogs? No.

[East African Unitary State]

Mr. Worldwide should never be banned. How will we know how to count in Spanish if we ban him?

[San Lumen]

no we should not ban any dog breeds. vicious dogs and biting come from poor training. it is not inherent to a breed

[Securmalia]

My family has a pitbull, and he is a total WIMP! He's afraid of THUNDERSTORMS and lets our Maltese-Yorkie (Morkie?) boss him around! Pitbulls should not be banned!

[Bluelight-R006]

This is a case of blaming the dog for how they were nurtured. It's the owners and breeders who should be punished, not the animals.

Precisely. The owners decided to keep it, so they have the utmost responsibility. And yet there still are good owners out there, so it won’t be fair to others.

[Liriena]

No. You don't have to ban an entire breed of dog. You need to deal with stupid, dickhead owners who don't know how to raise them and keep them in check.

[Liriena]

No. You don't have to ban an entire breed of dog. You need to deal with stupid, dickhead owners who don't know how to raise them and keep them in check.

But also, ban breeders. The continued commercialization of dog breeds is more trouble than it's worth.

[Scomagia]

Sale should be restricted.

NSG is basically /pol/ and /pol/ has anti-pit bull threads all the time. They called them "the n-word of dog breeds".

I can't tell if you are serious or memeing.

Nope. There's zero reason to restrict sales.

[Scomagia]

No. You don't have to ban an entire breed of dog. You need to deal with stupid, dickhead owners who don't know how to raise them and keep them in check.

It's also worth pointing out that a lot of bites on humans aren't caused by some wandering Cujo impersonator but, rather, by the human intervening in a dog fight. I've been bit twice this year for this very reason.

[Memenferno]

Nope, let dog companions reap the risks and rewards of having a pit bull.

[Crockerland]

Nope, let dog companions reap the risks and rewards of having a pit bull.

Well the problem is that when a demonic dogsitter lets her pitbulls kill a cat in front of its owner and laughs about it in front of them, and the dogs get to stay with their owners rather than being destroyed, that is a situation where the "dog companions" are not the ones reaping the risks.

[Imperial Esplanade]

Cool, I guess we're drawing conclusions based on extreme circumstances when Pit Bulls are, statistically, actually one of the safest and most stable of "breeds" of dog out there?

https://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... as/500558/

Goes to show you don't really know what you're talking about here, in spite of the clear amount of research you've put into peddling this nonsense.

[Memenferno]

Nope, let dog companions reap the risks and rewards of having a pit bull.

Well the problem is that when a demonic dogsitter lets her pitbulls kill a cat in front of its owner and laughs about it in front of them, and the dogs get to stay with their owners rather than being destroyed, that is a situation where the "dog companions" are not the ones reaping the risks.

Demonic? Quite a strong adjective.

I'd still blame the dog owner. Dogs have no sense of what's right or wrong, right? The dog companions must answer for their negligence, thus they incur risks.