Talks With Taliban Hopeful

[Kowani]

It seems that every two months, there’s talks with the Taliban, that last about a week, and then: “Negotiations broke down.”

[Senkaku]

Sounds like whataboutism.

The evils of one group doesn't justify the evils of another.

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

The Taliban currently uses Afghanistan's poppy fields as one of its main revenue streams. I suppose you could make the argument that they've finally figured out the best way to kill us American dogs is to sell us the tools to do it ourselves, but it seems more like they're just a bunch of violent, greedy drug dealers who don't really care where their product goes.

[The New California Republic]

I trust the Taliban as far as I can throw them.

[Scomagia]

Sounds like whataboutism.

The evils of one group doesn't justify the evils of another.

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

[Al Mumtahanah]

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

Again, whataboutism.

Not if moral superiority is your justification for the occupation

[Scomagia]

And we should believe the promises of these vermin why?

Because America couldn't vanquish them and because Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are key allies of America against Iran.

That's no reason to trust them.

[Khataiy]

The Taliban didn't exist when the Soviets were in Afghanistan

In fact the Taliban ended up fighting people the CIA had funded.

The CIA funded a wide array of people some went on to form the Taliban others joined the Northern Alliance, but neither faction existed during the Soviet occupation there was a lot of infighting, and different shifting alliances the US sent arms to Pakistan along with advisors and anyone who showed up willing to fight was armed and trained no questions asked by the CIA and ISI. The CIA and ISI collaborated with Chinese and Iranian intelligence as well during this period there were no background checks or anything like that, they didn't really care. But yes undoubtedly groups the CIA and Iran funded went on to form the NA, while ISI kept funding elements that became the Taliban and China just gave up all together.

[Highever]

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

But....but the taliban stopped poppy growing! Who cares if they beat and rape women for not staying in their place and deliberately murder civilians in light of this??

[Estanglia]

Again, whataboutism.

Not if moral superiority is your justification for the occupation

I'm not justifying the occupation at all. I just don't trust that the Taliban won't go back on whatever promises they make to get America and its allies out.

[Khataiy]

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

But....but the taliban stopped poppy growing! Who cares if they beat and rape women for not staying in their place and deliberately murder civilians in light of this??

The Taliban sold drugs, the NA kidnapped and raped kids is basically the truth of the matter.

[Al Mumtahanah]

More people died of drug use the United States last year than all the Americans who.died in the whole Vietnam War, this isn't even looking cartel killings. The Taliban stopped 99% of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, the basis of 3/4 of the world's heroin supply. In less then a year of their doing that the U.S. decided to invade and topple them, a decision reached September 10, 2001. Decrying the Taliban as untrustworthy is faulty when their opppsition here is far lees trustworthy.

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

I'm sorry civilized people drop their bombs from planes.

The Taliban don't murder childrem, unlike the U.S.

[Scomagia]

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

But....but the taliban stopped poppy growing! Who cares if they beat and rape women for not staying in their place and deliberately murder civilians in light of this??

What's a little rape and murder if you stop the growth of poppies? Clearly poppies are more evil than killing little girls.

[Khataiy]

But....but the taliban stopped poppy growing! Who cares if they beat and rape women for not staying in their place and deliberately murder civilians in light of this??

What's a little rape and murder if you stop the growth of poppies? Clearly poppies are more evil than killing little girls.

Objectively speaking, it was actually the other way around the Taliban are the drug dealers, the NA (Northern Alliance) were the pedophile rapists.

[Senkaku]

Again, whataboutism.

Not if moral superiority is your justification for the occupation

Did you know a Taliban roadside mine in Ghor province killed seven kids this past Saturday, including a 5-year-old? Found that out in the same story as the one about the bombing in Ghazni two days ago, apparently because it was so unremarkable as to not merit its own story.

The United States has explicit policies to minimize civilian casualties and avoid innocent loss of life, and discipline those who commit war crimes. The United States doesn't assassinate schoolgirls for reading. I don't think we're saints by any stretch of the imagination, because this is a messy and pointless war, but at least we're doing better than the Taliban when it comes to how heavy our souls are with the stain of sin.

[Scomagia]

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

I'm sorry civilized people drop their bombs from planes.

The Taliban don't murder childrem, unlike the U.S.

You're a blatant liar.

[Al Mumtahanah]

But....but the taliban stopped poppy growing! Who cares if they beat and rape women for not staying in their place and deliberately murder civilians in light of this??

The Taliban sold drugs, the NA kidnapped and raped kids is basically the truth of the matter.

"In July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the UN to eradicate heroin production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. The Taliban enforced a ban on poppy farming via threats, forced eradication, and public punishment of transgressors. The result was a 99% reduction in the area of opium poppy farming in Taliban-controlled areas, roughly three quarters of the world's supply of heroin at the time.[19] The ban was effective only briefly due to the deposition of the Taliban in 2002."

[Scomagia]

What's a little rape and murder if you stop the growth of poppies? Clearly poppies are more evil than killing little girls.

Objectively speaking, it was actually the other way around the Taliban are the drug dealers, the NA (Northern Alliance) were the pedophile rapists.

Yeah, I'm sure the Taliban dogs only beat the little girls for going to school. No rape. Totally.

[Senkaku]

Nobody cares for your whataboutism. You aren't going to convince us to trust child murderers and car bombers no matter how much apologism you shit out here.

I'm sorry civilized people drop their bombs from planes.

The Taliban don't murder childrem, unlike the U.S.

Literally just posted about the Taliban mine that blew like half a dozen kids to smithereens this past Saturday in Ghor province.

And yes, civilized people drop their (laser-guided) bombs from planes, after using spy satellites and drones to try and make sure that there aren't civilians in the area and there is a target present worth using such expensive and deadly hardware against. Sometimes they make mistakes and innocent people die, or the target survives, but they get the job done without hurting people much more effectively than, say, people who just drive up to a government building with a truck full of TNT and set it off whenever they think the most people are around.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Not if moral superiority is your justification for the occupation

Did you know a Taliban roadside mine in Ghor province killed seven kids this past Saturday, including a 5-year-old? Found that out in the same story as the one about the bombing in Ghazni two days ago, apparently because it was so unremarkable as to not merit its own story.

The United States has explicit policies to minimize civilian casualties and avoid innocent loss of life, and discipline those who commit war crimes. The United States doesn't assassinate schoolgirls for reading. I don't think we're saints by any stretch of the imagination, because this is a messy and pointless war, but at least we're doing better than the Taliban when it comes to how heavy our souls are with the stain of sin.

There's nothing pointless about exterminating evil.

[Khataiy]

Not if moral superiority is your justification for the occupation

Did you know a Taliban roadside mine in Ghor province killed seven kids this past Saturday, including a 5-year-old? Found that out in the same story as the one about the bombing in Ghazni two days ago, apparently because it was so unremarkable as to not merit its own story.

The United States has explicit policies to minimize civilian casualties and avoid innocent loss of life, and discipline those who commit war crimes. The United States doesn't assassinate schoolgirls for reading. I don't think we're saints by any stretch of the imagination, because this is a messy and pointless war, but at least we're doing better than the Taliban when it comes to how heavy our souls are with the stain of sin.

Not a fan of the Taliban, but they do care about civilian casualties they consider themselves a Nationalist-Islamic project expelling foreign invaders, they have extensive tribal ties and rely greatly on their relationship with the public things like this make the Taliban look bad and the know that, they are also trying really hard to get the US to leave and stuff like this obviously doesn't help. So they are trying, but they just aren't as capable or careful enough. It was likely a left over ordinance that detonated or they confused the target with something else, its all collateral damage, and unfortunate but reality of modern war.

[Senkaku]

The Taliban sold drugs, the NA kidnapped and raped kids is basically the truth of the matter.

"In July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the UN to eradicate heroin production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. The Taliban enforced a ban on poppy farming via threats, forced eradication, and public punishment of transgressors. The result was a 99% reduction in the area of opium poppy farming in Taliban-controlled areas, roughly three quarters of the world's supply of heroin at the time.[19] The ban was effective only briefly due to the deposition of the Taliban in 2002."

I don't know why you're bringing this up given that the Taliban would now probably be one of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies by market capitalization if heroin were legal.

[Scomagia]

Did you know a Taliban roadside mine in Ghor province killed seven kids this past Saturday, including a 5-year-old? Found that out in the same story as the one about the bombing in Ghazni two days ago, apparently because it was so unremarkable as to not merit its own story.

The United States has explicit policies to minimize civilian casualties and avoid innocent loss of life, and discipline those who commit war crimes. The United States doesn't assassinate schoolgirls for reading. I don't think we're saints by any stretch of the imagination, because this is a messy and pointless war, but at least we're doing better than the Taliban when it comes to how heavy our souls are with the stain of sin.

There's nothing pointless about exterminating evil.

No there is not.

[Al Mumtahanah]

I'm sorry civilized people drop their bombs from planes.

The Taliban don't murder childrem, unlike the U.S.

Literally just posted about the Taliban mine that blew like half a dozen kids to smithereens this past Saturday in Ghor province.

And yes, civilized people drop their (laser-guided) bombs from planes, after using spy satellites and drones to try and make sure that there aren't civilians in the area and there is a target present worth using such expensive and deadly hardware against. Sometimes they make mistakes and innocent people die, or the target survives, but they get the job done without hurting people much more effectively than, say, people who just drive up to a government building with a truck full of TNT and set it off whenever they think the most people are around.

You obviously don't know about the shelling of Fallujah

[Khataiy]

Objectively speaking, it was actually the other way around the Taliban are the drug dealers, the NA (Northern Alliance) were the pedophile rapists.

Yeah, I'm sure the Taliban dogs only beat the little girls for going to school. No rape. Totally.

The Taliban doesn't oppose female education according to their spokesman take that how you will they oppose mixed schools and classes.

[Khataiy]

Literally just posted about the Taliban mine that blew like half a dozen kids to smithereens this past Saturday in Ghor province.

And yes, civilized people drop their (laser-guided) bombs from planes, after using spy satellites and drones to try and make sure that there aren't civilians in the area and there is a target present worth using such expensive and deadly hardware against. Sometimes they make mistakes and innocent people die, or the target survives, but they get the job done without hurting people much more effectively than, say, people who just drive up to a government building with a truck full of TNT and set it off whenever they think the most people are around.

You obviously don't know about the shelling of Fallujah

The situation in Iraq is worse than Palestine, Syria or Afghanistan.